Villain is older but seems kinda bad. Had 50$ when I sat lost it and reloaded for 200, now down to 129.

Few limps to me in sb with AK spades I raise to 17 villain calls from utg1

Flop (40)
Q 10 5 rainbow

I lead 27 villain calls

Turn (95)
K

What's our play? Check call or bet call?

KQ, KT, AJ, J9 just pulled ahead of you

do you think he'd call a shove with AQ or QJ? Its unlikely for an old guy to do that.

I think all we're getting value from is KJ here.

He only has $85 behind; if he's passive, I think checking is fine here since he'll likely play his cards face up. He'll bet strong with his KQ/KT/QT/J9/AJ and probably be too scared to bet anything marginal like AQ or QJ. I'm just worried about him blowing us off with KJ or K9.

So you check fold if he shoves?

KQ and KT were, of course, already ahead. However, everything else you said is spot on.

^^^ yea that my bad

against an old guy, yea

when he shoves, what do we beat? i guess KJ sometimes, but he doesnt even shove that every time. he's shoving his 2pairs a lot more often.

I would bet/call here. Can you give us any more info on how V is "kinda bad" is he spewy? weak/tight? any other info?



I also like a bet/fold here but unfortunately were not deep enough

I'm just curious how we can bet fold. Pot is 95 he has 95 left. Even if we bet 50 and he shoves we are getting 5:1 with TPTK an over and a gutter. Against a range of 2p plus I think we have around 18%

we cant bet/fold obviously

bet/call is bad because he's only shoving better hands which have us crushed. when he shoves, what hands does he have that we're doing well against? just KJ really and we dont even know if he'd shove that

i hate betting this turn

Did not take into account stack sizes when posted, edited now. I think a b/f is optimal, but with these stack sizes I would either open shove or b/c, weighted towards b/c.

Villain has 85 left. Pot is 97.

I think this is a pretty easy shove for value.

What am I missing? He has plenty of Qx, JT type hands etc.

didn't see JT

Is he calling with all of those Qx hands, though?

If he's not calling with those hands then why would we bet, that's how I'm feeling once the turn hits. But is he capable of turning a pair plus draw into a bluff? Obv no one knows the answer on that but I'm looking at the scenario as he has a PSB left. If we check our hand is obv under reppped and wouldn't check folding here just be uber weak? If we bet, a shove from him looks super strong but we still have to call given our equity vs his 2p+ range me thinks.

Thoughts?

i dont think we have a lot of equity vs 2pair? am i missing something?

i dont think we have a lot of equity at all vs his shoving range on the river. itll have some semi-bluffs in it, but most of it will be value that we dont beat.

Shove turn or just bet 40 turn/shove river. I'm never folding with these stack sizes.

Our equity vs Q10 is pretty good. We have 25%. Vs K10 we have around 17%. I'd have to think against his entire range we have around 20%. I'm on my phone though so I'm just guesstimating, and that's just against hands that are better than ours. Throw in a few hands we are now ahead of and it's probably 25-30%. This is why I feel we can't bet fold. But the question comes in on will he turn a hand that I just beat him with into a bluff, where he May even have folded it if I bet big on the turn, say I bet 75 and he has 20 left, might he find a fold with QJ? I don't want that hand out, but if I check he may jam it to get me off of AQ where even if I call, he still is open ended.

We start the hand with 65bb and open to 8.5bb.

We see a flop heads up for 20bb and we have just 57.5bb left.

Shove all flops. Not even close.

We never want to put any more $$ into the pot on the flop that isn't a shove because we leave villain with correct odds to continue in almost all case.

To wit... Hero bets 13.5bb and is called. The pot going into the turn is now 47bb and we have just 44bb left. If we shove now, villain is getting 2:1 on his call going into the river, and he needs just 33% equity to justify a call.

If we bet smaller than a shove on the turn, as played, we given even better odds to villain which is a disaster for Hero.