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Originally Posted by the machine
ok so herein lies the problem. you seem to think if he has 88-JJ we only get one street of value regardless of the line. i wholeheartedly disagree and here is why. when we bet the flop he may call with those hands, but the turn becomes a spot where the usually decide to let go because they do not want to call X only to have to face a river bet and fold. on the turn if they call a bet (after a checked through flop), now we are already at the river. they can decide after i bet the river whether they want to call or fold, and the call will be more likely to be made on the river than on the turn because of no possible future action. they may not be thinking about it exactly like this but their subconscious is. if we hope to be able to get 2 streets our best option is to bet turn/river here.
The best way, imo, to get two streets of value from 88-JJ is to bet flop, check turn, and bet river. They will often bet the turn themselves when you check.
If they bet small on the turn, then call it and donk-lead smallish on river.