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06-14-2018 , 07:06 PM

DrSalamanka

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Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 9

Hero is btn (stack 250) with 66, it is a straddle pot, 2 people call the straddle, I call, blinds call. Straddle checks

Flop Jd6d8s (24€)
All check, Hero bets 15, only straddler calls

Turn Jd6d8s3c (54€), I bet 35, straddler call
River Jd6d8s3cQh, (124€)straddler donk bet 240, hero?

Information about the straddler: he is an old man who normally always donk bets top pair hands etc on the flop

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06-14-2018 , 07:19 PM

AllTheCheese

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His effective bet is 200, right? Because your stack is only 250 and you already put 50 in. Or did you mistate the stack size?

Anyway, he obviously has T9 and you obviously have to call.

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06-14-2018 , 07:21 PM

Avaritia

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Betting $15 otf is almost a crime.

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06-14-2018 , 07:36 PM

venice10

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Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,855

If you don't call the river bet, fold pf. He's going to show up with bluffs and two pair too often to fold a set.

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06-14-2018 , 11:57 PM

Nozsr

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Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,722

With 66 on the button in a straddled pot, I suppose it is OK going five ways to the flop.

But I much prefer making it 30 or 35 to go from the button.

We are probably ahead of the limpers.

We are probably ahead of two random cards in each of the blinds.

And we have the button.

Taking the pot right there is "easy money".

Flatting from the button invites everyone to draw - not just a free card, but three free cards.

And we have something "in addition to position" if we get called.

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06-15-2018 , 01:26 AM

Dream Crusher

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Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 18,786

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Originally Posted by Nozsr

Completely disagree.

As for the spot, these are the type of crazy exploitative folds that can be made in live low stakes.

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06-15-2018 , 03:36 AM

hyperknit

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 2,692

I love the call preflop. Set mining is a very profitable way to play small pocket pairs in my experience.

I like a pot sized bet on the flop. Multi way and draw heavy. Yes bet big!

Again on the turn a 3/4 or pot sized bet.

On the river I need to find a read. Very tough. I would clock out and leaning towards a call.

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06-15-2018 , 10:31 AM

shorn7

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,495

Bet more on both flop and turn.

Flop (20), turn (45-50). Get more value.

River is gross as his line makes absolutely no sense. Super polarized to T9 or total air (missed FD). Looks like you have 196 left to call for a pot of 320 or 1.63-1. So you need to be good 38% of the time to make the call 0 EV.

I can't fold here...I just don't think that V would play T9 this way often enough as realistically if he holds that hand, what does he think you will call with? So, i think there are enough bluffs in his range to call but I am not all that happy about it.

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06-15-2018 , 11:10 AM

mdelore

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,315

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Originally Posted by shorn7

River is gross as his line makes absolutely no sense. Super polarized to T9 or total air (missed FD). Looks like you have 196 left to call for a pot of 320 or 1.63-1. So you need to be good 38% of the time to make the call 0 EV.

I can't fold here...I just don't think that V would play T9 this way often enough as realistically if he holds that hand, what does he think you will call with? So, i think there are enough bluffs in his range to call but I am not all that happy about it.

+1 to betting more on flop and turn. Close to pot or more both times.

Shorn I think you're putting too much thought into this. This line is clueless and not logical, so applying logic to it is not going to work. c/c, c/c, donk-overbet river is the strongest line ever. T9 makes a lot of sense and hes got all the combos to it. He's an old man and probably a station. Most old dudes at 1/2 are content to check the missed draw they've had good odds to chase to the river.

IMO OP is good here like 5% of the time, if that. Calling here is torching $.

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06-15-2018 , 11:29 AM

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Joey913

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Originally Posted by shorn7

+1. 2+2 MUBSy bias has a lot of folks too heavily weighting T9. Because the hand is posted in this forum with OP being a stranger it smells and probably is a bad beat, but in real life we are good enough of the time to call.

IME most low limit players want a call and thus don't overbet shove with the goods.

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06-15-2018 , 11:41 AM

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snowman

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Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,748

I'll bite

old man who straddled

Qx dd missed his diamond draw caught a river Q

snap call

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06-15-2018 , 12:03 PM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by mdelore

You could be right. I have a tendency to call in spots where a line makes absolutely no sense and that could actually be a pretty big leak IF someone can exploit it. I think we are good a lot more than 5% here TBH, but maybe not to the 38% threshold needed.

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