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06-13-2018 , 08:03 PM
Very loose ucapped 1/2 table.
Hero sitting at the table for 3 hours. Got coolered flush over flush, running bad and card dead and didnt play a hand in the past hour. Should have a really tight image but like always nobody cares. Stack 220€.

Villain MAWG. Recreational. Bought in for 100€. Not much info. Is up now 200€. So stack 300€.

Hero raises in LJ to 10€ with TT, villain calls in HJ, CO, BTN and SB also call.

Flop (52€) 982r
Sb checks, hero 35€, villain in hj calls, co folds, btn and sb call

Turn (192€) 9827 completes rainbow
Checked to villain who bets 120€, everybody folds.
Hero?

Last edited by SUYAPA; 06-13-2018 at 08:11 PM.
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06-13-2018 , 08:17 PM
Opening to 10 is not enough, we are inviting everyone to take a flop and draw out on us.

Four of them accepted the invitation.

Had we opened to 20 or 25, it would tend to better define the ranges of any Villains who wanted to play.

As played, his range could well include "flopped 2-pair" hands, and "flopped top pair with a straight draw" hands.

Our decision here is also our decision for the river, we can't call here and then fold the river.

Next time bet enough to expect either "we steal the limps" or we get it heads up.

And one pair usually isn't worth three streets of value.
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06-13-2018 , 08:30 PM
Vs a range of 22, 77, 88, 99, 67, 87 and 2 combos of JT you are still 51.4%. I say fine to gii here.
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06-14-2018 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
Opening to 10 is not enough, we are inviting everyone to take a flop and draw out on us.

Four of them accepted the invitation.

Had we opened to 20 or 25, it would tend to better define the ranges of any Villains who wanted to play.

As played, his range could well include "flopped 2-pair" hands, and "flopped top pair with a straight draw" hands.

Our decision here is also our decision for the river, we can't call here and then fold the river.

Next time bet enough to expect either "we steal the limps" or we get it heads up.

And one pair usually isn't worth three streets of value.
Everybody was raising between 6 and 12 pre.
My standard raise at 1/2 is 8+2 for every limper and it works fine.
I dont think raising between 10 and 12bb is a good strategy overall.

When im in LJ and i would raise to 20-25 i know a few ppl will call anyways and i dont want to play a big pot multiway oop with TT when its hard to put them on a range.
So when raising 20-25 pre makes no difference to raising 10.
People were really call happy at the table. A guy coldcalled a 3b of 40€ in sb with 95s lol.
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06-14-2018 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Vs a range of 22, 77, 88, 99, 67, 87 and 2 combos of JT you are still 51.4%. I say fine to gii here.
How do you get 51.4%? It has to be otf right?
I gave him the exact same range and get 26,58% ott.

I added 76s and 98s too but doesnt make much difference->25.78%
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06-14-2018 , 10:27 AM
If it is uncapped, buy in deeper if your BR can afford it.

I would ave continued to lead this turn...not sure why you chose to check?

I think you have good equity vs V's range (especially given you block most str8's). AP I GII here too.
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06-14-2018 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
If it is uncapped, buy in deeper if your BR can afford it.

I would ave continued to lead this turn...not sure why you chose to check?

I think you have good equity vs V's range (especially given you block most str8's). AP I GII here too.
I bought in 2 times for 150bb.
I would buy in deeper but i dont have a huge br atm and honestly im not comfortable buying in for 300bb or more with the br i have. If im up in a session 300bb and sitting with 400bb or more i have no problem playng that stack. But buying in for 300bb with my own money doesnt feel good. Im sure it will be different when my br is bigger.
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06-14-2018 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
I bought in 2 times for 150bb.
I would buy in deeper but i dont have a huge br atm and honestly im not comfortable buying in for 300bb or more with the br i have. If im up in a session 300bb and sitting with 400bb or more i have no problem playng that stack. But buying in for 300bb with my own money doesnt feel good. Im sure it will be different when my br is bigger.
Fair enough.

Why did you check the turn?
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06-14-2018 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
Fair enough.

Why did you check the turn?
Wasnt sure if i should shove but I was worried about a set.
I thought that i didnt play a hand in an hour, could easily have an overpair, bet into 4 players and they still call
Wasnt sure what to do
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06-14-2018 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
Wasnt sure if i should shove but I was worried about a set.
I thought that i didnt play a hand in an hour, could easily have an overpair, bet into 4 players and they still call
Wasnt sure what to do
OK. So in these spots, bet/folding (or depending upon stack sizes and your equity to the river, bet/calling) is better IMO than checking/evaluating. V's will let you know if they have a straight/set (by raising) and then it comes down to math for whether you continue. Importantly, you block a ton of JT combos because of your holding, so it is less likely that V has the top end of the str8 here.

Problem with checking is that you give up the lead and generally increase the bluff frequency of most V's because they will assume that you are weak. When you bet and they raise, you can be more confident that you are likely behind simply because you took a second aggressive action and they still chose to raise. Again, at the lower limits, very few V's are bluff raising the turn here.
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06-14-2018 , 05:34 PM
One problem I have here is that you've painted all 4 villains with the same brush. Are they ALL equally as loose? You did get one fold on the flop so there are perhaps some variations you should consider.

Second, I think Nozsr's post deserves a little more consideration. Had you actually tried deviating from your 8+2 per limp raise rule at this table or did you decide that it wouldn't work without trying because the table is too loose? I've seen even at loose tables you can perhaps cut the field down from 4 callers to 2 callers if you make it 17 instead of 10 for example. If you tried and it had no effect than I agree that you cant afford to open every pot for 20-25. But if it's thinning the field and you have solid hands like TT, then it is well worth it even OOP.

I like the flop bet and sizing.

I agree with others that the turn is also a bet and with your stack size vs this pot size a shove is probably the same as the $120ish bet your V made. When you check this turn your Villains can have you on a wide range. Maybe they put you on something like AQ and figure their K9 must be good, all of the sudden there's almost $200 in the pot and you check so they make a solid bet. If you bet and get raised then you have a much better feel for where you are. Also, we still have outs against sets, and 2 pair hands, and can make some straights on the river. AP, if Villain is really LAG and my hand is under rep'd I find it hard to fold here. If villain is more LP and has only been raising later streets with monsters then it's a much tougher call. I don't think you've given enough info for either case. In a vacuum, I think I call.

Last edited by c0rnBr34d; 06-14-2018 at 05:40 PM.
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