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1/2 folding fullhouse otr? 1/2 folding fullhouse otr?

07-19-2018 , 10:15 PM
Hero 400€
Villain MAWG 190€. Just came from another table.
We are 8 handed.

Hero raises first in 8€ in hj with 99, sb and bb call.

Flop (24) TTT
Blinds check, hero bets 10, only villain in bb calls.

Turn (44) TTT3
Villain checks, hero 20, villain calls.

River (84) TTT32
Villain checks, hero 50, villain snap all in , hero?
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07-19-2018 , 10:18 PM
Gotta call here, you beat 22-88 he should be raising all TT-AA CO vs BB
If he has a 10 so be it, it's a good bad beat story you can tell to fish down the road.

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07-19-2018 , 10:25 PM
Probably a fold. Even to weak players, Our hand looks as strong, or potentially even stronger than what we are holding. His worse FH's are highly likely to just call, even slightly better like JJ might just flat river. It seems we just get shown a Tx here a bunch. Even though Tx seems unlikely, a range of {AT, KT, QT, JT, T9, T8} is still 18 combinations of hands that all could take this line, while trying to figure out what worse hand(s) he could have just feels like guess work.
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07-19-2018 , 11:03 PM
You are probably never tripling here as a bluff, 99 is absolute stone cold rock bottom of your value range so seems like a fine fold
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07-19-2018 , 11:06 PM
This is a tough one. If this guy is bluffing, he should be playing higher. Donkeys at this level just never check raise bluff on the river. They tend not to have the balls for it. I suppose he could have played AA, KK like this, however you block combos of T9. Damn. This one sucks. I think you fold.
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07-20-2018 , 01:01 AM
Ya your bet bet bet line looks way to strong for anything but Tx to feel like bluffing here. Id even expect 22 and 33 to flat. If V is just going for it with QJ or something then kudos to him. Dont be a hero bro, just let it go.

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07-20-2018 , 04:28 AM
Tough spot. Getting almost 3 to 1, I'll admit that in game I'd often talk myself into calling it off. Looking at it objectively as third party, I think this is a fold. Range wise you're at the bottom, as I don't think you're going 3 streets for value with much less. Plus your hand may be over repped here, looking more like big PPs. I'm never surprised by what I see in a 1/2 game, but in general I don't think many Vs take this line as a bluff with effective stacks short and such a high probability that you have an OP. I would wonder if V is clueless enough to value shove 44-88, but that too seems unlikely. Sigh fold I guess, but I don't feel that strongly either way against an unknown 1/2 V for this price.
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07-20-2018 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
You are probably never tripling here as a bluff, 99 is absolute stone cold rock bottom of your value range so seems like a fine fold
This. You have all the high pairs in your range (JJ+), so why would he ever bluff here without a Ten. He EXPECTS you to call.
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07-20-2018 , 12:11 PM
Grunch: Fold.

Don't be this river, just check behind. What are you trying to accomplish? You're not going for C value because of your sizing. You're not folding anyone out either. You're not blocking a bet because you're last to act.

Put another way, what hands call a small-medium PFR call down after flop comes three of a kind?

WA/WB, and he knows you don't have a J. Next time just check the river, you don't have the nuts, no need to put yourself in such a tough spot.
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07-20-2018 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by zippyroo
This is a tough one. If this guy is bluffing, he should be playing higher. Donkeys at this level just never check raise bluff on the river. They tend not to have the balls for it. I suppose he could have played AA, KK like this, however you block combos of T9. Damn. This one sucks. I think you fold.
I would have to agree on the c/r bluff river part. Not a fun feeling to have to fold, but it is a fold here.
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07-20-2018 , 12:44 PM
check river. hard to get three streets from worse.

as played fold
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07-20-2018 , 12:55 PM
Disagree with people saying check river. We have the best hand here very often and are getting bluff raised here virtually never. I might bet a little smaller though although $50 is obviously fine.

Don’t think we are good often enough to call.
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07-20-2018 , 05:16 PM
I felt like i have the 2nd nuts here. I think he would 3b JJ+ and i wanted to get max value from 22-88.
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07-20-2018 , 05:40 PM
I play in an action game, but I don’t know what type of action game you play in if you feel you’re getting max value from 22-88 without gigantic risk of getting stacked by quads given the action.

How often do you think 22-88 calls that all the way down (with no fear of YOU having an over pair or quads) vs. quads where you get felted?

I know on flop quads are unlikely, but the more you keep betting and telling your story, the more he is saying IDGAF...

Just check the river and fold as played.
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07-20-2018 , 05:42 PM
Now that i think about it bet folding river is the best line.

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07-20-2018 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by skiing7654
I play in an action game, but I don’t know what type of action game you play in if you feel you’re getting max value from 22-88 without gigantic risk of getting stacked by quads given the action.

How often do you think 22-88 calls that all the way down (with no fear of YOU having an over pair or quads) vs. quads where you get felted?

I know on flop quads are unlikely, but the more you keep betting and telling your story, the more he is saying IDGAF...

Just check the river and fold as played.
Where i play most players are recreationals. When i see a player ive never seen before i assume he is not good until i have more infos. In my experience when they flop a strong hand like a fullhouse they dont like folding it. They only think about their hand and their absolute hand strenght. Thats why i wanted to go for max value and thought that bet/folding is the most profitable line. But obviously wasnt sure about it and asked you guys.
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07-20-2018 , 08:42 PM
Bet river is fine to me. But the great part of playing against recs is we can find big river folds or bet/folds, knowing we are not getting bluffed off the best hand anywhere near often enough to stress about it.
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