This is what I would've done too, but I'm still not too confident about it vs this villain. Without the straddle dynamic in play, folding would be pretty damn easy.

i went from 17 to 67. 4x. what would be a better raise? 50 straight?

i was definitely not expecting him to 4bet. from the way he had been playing, i expected call or fold. raise just took me so off guard that i was shocked.

i had not straddled much. maybe once or twice before this, but didnt pick any hands up, so i hadnt raised a straddle.

Folding kings out of the straddle is pretty bad.

Showing is worse.

Just stack off your 90 bigs and take it like a man

I think the straddle opens villain's range, even if he is OMC. I would never fold KK here. (Would never show, either, but that's been discussed.)

The reason I think the straddle is important here is because every live fish loves to do it, and is quite familiar with seeing it. So when you DEFEND your straddle, they might spaz out inappropriately.

I startee a thread a few days ago about folding KK preflop twice in an hour at 1/2...once was correct once wasn't...both OMCs.....

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This.

Also, the hero straddled which IS a factor sometimes, but not here. Hero raise is huge, and how many 4 bets in any 1-2 game has been anything other than AA? Does villain think hero is folding after that huge raise? Does Villain think his small 4 bet will make hero fold? All the signs are clearly there.

No flames here. You know this already but i will state it- that if you play this hand 100 times, it is a certainty that folding is the highest EV play. Sure they show you a few white blackbirds here and there, but that doesnt affect the overall at all. I would pay no attention to the stray oddballz.

Based on reads, I think you're right. But I still think you're an idiot.

thanks for the constructive criticism bro.

ok, i have a question to follow up.

most people say i should have called/shoved regardless of my reads. if i'm fairly sure he has AA, why should i do that? my ultimate goal of poker is to win $. can i seriously think that there is a decent % of time i legitimately win money stacking here?

Pot is $134 in dead money. For ease of math, let's assume that if you shove, he's always calling. Cost of shoving is $283. This would create a pot of $700 even.

If his range is only AA, then 80% of the time you will lose that $283, for a cost of $226.40. 20% of the time you will win $417, for a profit of $83.40. So your overall EV if he has always has aces is -$143. Obv, if that's his entire range, this is a fold.

OTOH, when he holds AK, the other KK, and underpairs, you will win about (don't have pokerstove on this machine) 75% of the time for a profit of $312, and lose 25% for a loss of $70.75, for a positive EV of $241.

Therefore, if he has aces here only 60% of the time (-86 EV) and other holding 40% (+96 EV), it is a profitable shove. Of course, his line screams AA, but there are so many more combos of the other hands available that it is hard to say that this is AA more than 60% of the time. That is what folks are arguing, but as I said in my first post, the fold is not terrible.

He has AA way too much here, ok fold

It's probably pretty close. Never showing though.

As others have said, showing is nothing more than fishing for compliments to boost your ego. Definitely -EV in this case.

Don't straddle UTG either, unless everyone else is doing it and you are doing it to keep the vibe at the table good.

The fact that you are straddling, and possibly have the image of a standard UTG straddler, I think that villains range might be a bit wider than normal when he 4bets you.
However, this is not enough to widen V's range enough beyond KK+ for us to continue. Even if he has QQ sometimes, he has AA WAY more often IMO.

I like the fold here.

Locked.

The only time you fold KK pf is when you are so sure that the villain has only AA that you don't need to make a thread about it.