Been playing in Manila 50/100, about 1/2 recently and hands like these seem to be turning my winning sessions into break even since I never seem to be on the right end of these ones (as I feel like I'm getting a lot of hero folds) while I'm not making these hero folds myself in spots where the villain is rarely bluffing.

The spot in question. Effective stack was I think 15k-20k. Very passive table.

Hero KdQd in MP. We raise to 400. Player to our left (LJ) raises to 1400. Folds to us and we call. Not many hands on villain, played about 1 orbit, limped in a
couple hands in late position and this is the first hand he raised. In general I expect most of these 3-betting ranges to be pretty tight, AQ and JJ+ with AQ being just called at some frequency. Maybe the occasional AJs thrown in there.

Flop ($2950) Ks 2c 2d
Hero checks. Villain bets $1800. Hero calls. Backdoor flush draw and top pair, think it's too strong to fold although I expect most of his A high to check. Can see him betting QQ or JJ to see where he's at at some point so I don't think folding can be an option.

Turn ($6550) 6c
Hero checks. Villain bets $3000. Hero calls. Now I think this is the spot where we could just fold? I would 4-bet AK at a fair frequency so I feel like we're at the top of our range outside of having the Kx of clubs combinations with the occasional AK. But I expect his double barrel range to be 99.5% value by default assumptions on these players.

River ($12550) Js. Hero checks. Villain checks.

Villain wins pot with AsKc.

I am used to much looser games so adjusting to these spots seems to be the more difficult part.

Edit: Also just realised the title is redundant but oh well.

If you identify these 3b ranges as being tight and 3bet-bet-bet ranges to be without bluffs, then being at the top of your range (even on the turn) is completely irrelevant, and you can therefore just fold (your whole range). Dodging bullets is a big part of money making.

Fold to the 3bet...

If you identify his 3b range as tight why call with KQ OOP?

What part of his range do we beat on the flop or turn that we realistically think he would bet?

I think the only part where a fold could be considered in this hand is preflop, and then the river if he fires a 3rd barrel.

You could fold this hand HU OOP and you're not losing much EV at all, might even be making EV if the 3b range is super tight.

Very true. If villain has a tight 3 betting range KQ is one of the first hands to dump. You will do better with 76 then KQ. The KQ is so often dominated and hard to make money with if you do have the best hand.

Yeah, makes sense. Thought about it afterwards and felt like KQs isn't a hand I really want to have but I flip against JJ/TT, as well as flush potential that will rarely ever be beaten due to him not having Ax combinations of the same suit if he doesn't have any bluffs. But yeah, after thinking about it and if villain understands the range advantages he has on boards like this, we're not in great shape although clearly he doesn't if he's checking back AK on the river.

To be fair, it's more that I just haven't encountered this type of 3-betting ever before as a whole and haven't quite adjusted just yet as after thinking about it, it really just makes more sense to dump preflop just to avoid these situations. I think I still breakeven by calling KQs the way these players and hands play postflop but it's very close and probably much better to just take spots that are clearly +ev.

How much money do you lose when dominated? How much money do you win when V has TT/JJ and you hit? Not sure the two equal out in the long run, against players with such a tight 3B range PF

This. If 3bettor's range is tight just let it go. Your best case is going into a flip and that's a small portion of his range. I say this as someone who also needs to stop calling 3bets at game speed.

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One point of view: If we give the villain a range of {JJ+, AK, [50.0]AQ[/50.0]}, then our holding has 29.3% equity against that range, and given that we are out of position and being laid odds of 1950:1000 and thus need 33.9% equity to call, this is a close but clear fold.

Another point of view: The villain is risking 1400 to win 550, and therefore needs to get a fold 72% of the time to break even with any two cards. We therefore (neglecting equity) need to be defending with 28% of our opening range to prevent the villain from punishing us with impunity. If we have a reasonable opening range of {55+, A9s+, A3s-A5s, KTs+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, AJo+, KQo } (166 combos) we want to defend with 28% of that, or 54 combos. Trimming the opening range back, a decent defending range that I can pick out is {TT+, AQs+, KQs, AKo}. From the point of view of minimum defensive frequency, we ought to call a three-bet of this size with KQs.

In reality, both because we are going to be four-betting with our very best pairs and AK, and also because of postflop equity, our overall defending range should be wider.

The problem with folding KQs in this spot is that it means we are giving up too often to three-bets, and someone who notices this can rob us blind.

The fundamental problem is that once we have been three-bet we have already lost the hand. The only question is whether we lose less money by folding preflop than we do by calling (or four-betting).

I think on the whole and overall, we lose less money by calling the raise and seeing a flop with KQs against all but the very tightest of ranges than we do by folding it.

Unless he looks agro or like a pro I assume they aren’t capable of 3 betting and barreling light, especially on a king high board, until they prove they are capable of doing do. Fold pre. As played call flop and fold turn. Recs might stab some TT/JJ/QQ and then give up on turn. Double barrel from unknown is going to be AA/AK a huge percent of the time.