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1/2 flush draw on flop 4 ways facing aggression 1/2 flush draw on flop 4 ways facing aggression

11-12-2011 , 04:34 PM
This is your pretty standard donkathon 1/2 game in AZ. Villain 1 is younger, maybe late 20's and pretty loose passive, often limp calling with ATC, I've stacked him in previous games. Villain 2 is old Viet guy who plays practically face up and very loose, only min-raising with AK, KK, AA. Villain 3 is another younger white guy about thirtyish who has played somewhat TAG. Hero is perceived as a mix between LAG and TAG and has shown a couple a bluffs to get more action on my bigger hands. Hero is also newer to the room and has been winning which has been warranting many plays against the hero.

7 Handed $1/$2

Hero ($450) is on the button with A9

UTG folds

Villain 3 ($450) limps UTG+1

fold

fold

Villain 1 (HJ) ($150) raises to $9

Hero Calls,

Villain 2 (SB)($400) calls,

BB folds

Villain 3 calls.

FLOP($38) 8 3 2

action checks around to villain 1 who bets $21 and Villain 2 instantly tries to calls out of turn. I end up calling, then Villain 2 min raises to $42, which makes me instantly think he has a set or big overpair, as I've seen him do this many times. Villain 3 calls the $42 and then Villain 1 shoves for something like $117 more on top.

I obviously like my nut flush draw, but I'm putting at least Villain 2 on an overpair or set, and the Villain 3 on a flush draw as well. Villain 1 I think is trying to iso with maybe top pair or possibly anything as I've seen him play pretty much ATC and he likes to bet out on somewhat dry boards (besides the f draw here). Should i still look at my flush draw as being as strong if I'm putting 1 or 2 of the other players on flush draws as well?

Hero?
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11-12-2011 , 04:47 PM
do you like to gamble? because ur obv way behind here vs villain 2. do you think villain 2 can fold an overpair/middle or bottom set? if you think he can fold those hands then i def shove. hopefully you can iso vs villain 1 because there is so much money in the pot. pot is at $302 before its your action. villain 3 is def on some sort of fd/sd here and is folding IMO if you jam so hes gone so really i think eff stack left is $238 with villain 2. he'll get like 2.25 to 1 to call so i doubt hes folding a set but overpair he could fold or if he happens to have some sort of draw u should be ahead. i like to gamble w NFD in these situation because theres so much dead money in the pot and you have outs to the nuts, not like you have kxdd right now or something.
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11-12-2011 , 04:54 PM
If that happened in the UK, it would be standard for for v2's call to stand with no option to raise.

I take it these rules do not apply?
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11-12-2011 , 08:35 PM
This room is a bit unorthodox when it comes to rules. The guy that owns the place lets a lot of stuff fly that shouldn't normally.
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11-12-2011 , 08:49 PM
i fold because i think v2 is shipping over the top if we flat. then we're obviously way behind and i assume v3 probably has some sort of FD taking away 2 of our diamonds.. i dont feel like putting in a 200bb stack here when i can find a better spot imo
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11-12-2011 , 11:12 PM
I ended up tanking for about 3 minutes and decided to take the gamble and shove. Villain 2 ends up showing 10d6d while Villain 3 can't decide and ends up flipping a coin to fold or call. He ends up folding and shows his Kd3d. Villain 1 flips over 10 10 and we decide to run it once. Kc on the turn and an As for the river for the $1,000 scoop by me. Running good is running good.

After seeing Villain 2 willing to put in 200bb with a horribad flush draw it made me think back to several other hands where he shipped it with bad flush draws as well. I was still thin on outs, but for the amount in the pot I was willing to gamble. Still 41.2% 3 ways there but for the side pot Villain 2 was only at about 2.5 % to win.
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11-13-2011 , 05:55 AM
Depending on V1s opening range, I'd be folding pre a lot.
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11-13-2011 , 07:14 AM
What a mess...
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11-13-2011 , 09:12 AM
limp / call preflop ... I hate this line. It makes your hand so polarized when a flop like this comes. Just fold , keep yourself out of hands like this. What do you do if a 9 binks or an ace, or exactly what you see on that flop. You're now just looking to gamble as you HAVE to fold after so much aggression ahead of you. Just fold pre
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11-13-2011 , 09:18 AM
youre calculating oddsof villains after you saw their hands. This is called being results oriented. You can't just figure you are a 41% chance to win this hand when 3 people get it all in. If you face another opponent with diamonds you have to discount your outs as well if you are facing an opponent with a set you ahve to discount your outs. What if V1 had a set, V2 was on a FD (That you obviously crushed...but still lose a LOT more now to V1 due to 2 of your outs being in V2's hand)
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11-13-2011 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FishtermerService
limp / call preflop ... I hate this line. It makes your hand so polarized when a flop like this comes. Just fold , keep yourself out of hands like this. What do you do if a 9 binks or an ace, or exactly what you see on that flop. You're now just looking to gamble as you HAVE to fold after so much aggression ahead of you. Just fold pre
I didn't limp call preflop, I just smoothed the $9, A9 is way ahead of most people's range at this table.
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