Was curious on what the correct play is here.

1/2 NH poker room. (6-Max

H started with 200 has gone up and down about 80 dollars in the 2.5 hours at play. Should be viewed as Tight (but not nit like) and aggressive.

V1 - Asian Middle Aged Man, H and V have been friendly and congenial the entire session. V is one of the more passive and limp friendly players at the table, but when he does hit the flop (in a limped pots) he usually overbets (15 or 20 into like 8-10 dollar pots). Limps a decent amount and only opens with pocket pairs and premium overcards.

V2 - MAWG, not a ton of reads, started with 300, but is more Tight-passive, been at the table for about 40 minutes.

OTTH - Playing 5 handed, H (240ish) is in Button with A3hh, V2(125ish) is UTG, V1 (300) is MP.

Both Vs limp, H raises to 12 in the Button with A3hh (should just overlimp?)

SB calls (fit or fold young kid), both Vs call

Pot (48ish)

AdQd3d

Both Sb, and V1 check, V2 ships it for about 115, Hero?

*One other thing to note, in an earlier hand H opens to 12 in position with Ac10o Flop 3 clubs with 10, V bets small (10, 15, 25) on all three streets, H calls (could have folded river) and V shows down 84cc for flopped flush.

If 'm going to raise pre (and in a limp/call happy 1/2 game, I usually won't) it's going to probably be bigger. I don't know what an average open is in NH, but that +2BBs for the limpers would be my minimum raise. With a speculative hand and little FE, I'd usually just overlimp, though.

AP, I call. You block 33, and QQ and AA should be impossible and AQ unlikley, given PF action.

Preflop should be bigger if you do raise. With A3s you want as many folds as possible, I would start at $15 and likely $20. With V1 in play you will have trouble getting folds though and I would limp most of the time.

As played I would make a somewhat pained call because of the odds. V2's most likely hand is an ace or queen with a good diamond.

Shrug-snapping (is that a thing?). As Garrick notes way more 1pr + draw hands for V that’s hands you’re behind.

Raise is fine pf on the button. Call and dodge cards.

This may sound very dumb, but when I put in my hand vs V's hand (I gave him Ax10d) Card Player's Odd chart shows V is the odds on favorite to win. Its like 44%-49%.

So by folding am I making the wrong mathematically play. (Again I know in this instance I am not considering the other player hands and if they have a spare diamond.

Let's just assume that he showed you AsTd. In that case, yes you are behind. But... there is money already in the pot.

If you call 52.68% of the time, you'll lose your $115 call (-$60.58) and 47.32% of the time you'll win his $115 bet and the $48 that are already in the pot ($163*.4732=$77.13). So even though he's a slight favorite, on average you come out $16.55 ahead if you call.

Another way of looking at it is this. If your call represents less than you equity in the full pot, it is profitable. The full pot would be $115+$115+$48 or $278. You are being asked to pay $115 of it. 115 divided by 278 is .4137, so you are being asked to pay 41.37% of the pot. As long as your hand has greater than 41.37% equity against what you consider his range to be, it is a profitable call.

That second example/equation is pretty straightforward! Definitely will start trying to incorporate that in sessions!

Clearely 'I don't even math bro' lol

Yes, you gave V top pair, a flush draw, a back door straight draw and an over card to your 2nd pair. That’s a strong hand but as Garick lays out, you’re still +EV if V calls your shove.

So after tanking for a minute or two H makes the fold. V2 makes the fold, and V1 shows the As and mucks the other card.

This is a snap call for 115 into a 163 pot...lots of combos you're flipping with, very few you're drawing thin too.

I play in a very passive home (social, no rake) game...often pots are limped 6-8 handed...raising to 10 doesn't thin the field...need to make it 20 to get 2-3 handed.

If you're folding here, IMHO, you're playing with scared money. If players can figure out you don't want to "gamble" for stacks, you can get pushed around very easily.

I'm calling pretty quickly. I rarely see an overbet shove with a nutted hand in this spot. I'd guess this as a top pair hand. Wouldn't be surprised to see an atrociously played AK here - don't be aggressive with it like the young guns, bet massive when you hit so you don't get drawn out on.

If he's got us crushed, oh well.

To the last two posters; does your thinking and play change with knowing there are two other players left to act after you? Granted both players checked the flop initially, but what if one slow played a flopped flush? Or what if our call creates the right odds to call with a big naked diamond (not sure if the math supports my argument) but those are legitimately two thoughts that I was considering.

Also note that both Sb and other v have h covered. Is this a nitty even borderline scared fold absolutely. But I don’t think it’s terrible.

No, it doesn't change it for me. It's hard to hit a big hand; we have a big hand; we should be clearly ahead of shover's range + there's money in the pot; chances are no-one else flopped better than top and bottom. If villain has us beat or someone else flopped the world and is sandbagging, that's poker.

If we call 115 and get jammed on aren’t we priced in to call the 113 more? I think it’s an easy call heads up but 4 ways we could get into some terrible spots. I think we’re around break even vs shorty and the two other players tip this towards a fold.

Pre seems a little spewy at this stack depth but definitely calling here AP.

Would be an annoying spot with AK no diamond or something like that imo.

It is true that we’re going to be up against a flush here more often than we except, considering people are way too loose with suited hands pre, but being live with two cards to come is underrated.

I think we have like 17% equity in that worst case scenario and there was 25BBs in there before the shove.