Saturday night at the Venetian. 10 handed play, action has been loose but fairly passive preflop and a bit more tight postflop. Hero sat down about an hour ago.

For this hand, assume five opponents are loose passive and only one opponent is fairly aggressive in MP1 (has made large bets on turn with a semibluff, raises preflop more than 15% of the time, etc).

Hero has been pretty card dead at this point, with a VPIP/PFR of probably 13/9. I start with $300. Villains' stacks range from $100-$1500.

On to the hand:

EP limps, aggressive villain limps in MP1, passive villain limps in MP2, big stack loose passive limps in CO, hero looks down at A 3 and decides to overlimp OTB, SB completes, BB checks (Pot: $14).

Flop comes 3 3 6. Everyone checks around to hero. Hero ???

Basically my question has to do with bet sizing. On one hand, I want to charge flush draws full value to see the turn, but I also want to get value from 6x and pocket pairs. I don't have to be quite as wary against flush draws since they have one less out than usual and I will have ten outs to redraw when that does happen. Since I'm the last to bet I probably get slightly less credit than usual, but I've been fairly inactive lately so maybe not. Any rules of thumb for bet sizing in a situation like this?

Yes. At least $15. Sometimes $20.

You want to get two big streets from draws here, and the fattest of value from pp's as well.

If we were OOP I would donk $15, 75% pot turn, and usually c/c rivers.

This is 1/2 though so c/c might even be bad.

But just go for max/max/max

I don't go more than pot too often, pretty much never.

$15 here, 90%+ PSB on turns that are bricks.

So, you got A3 and think you got 10 outs to redraw
Think again pardner because you got the 10 outs on the turn ONLY when you flopped a SET not trips. Trips are much weaker and they could deceive you into thinking you got some god damned great hand but instead got just enough to lose all your stack.

U r missing out, 95% of the people at your table have no idea what the pot size is. If they have a flush draw or an open ended or even a pair, they r calling 20 if they r calling 15

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3x is never folding and PPs will call at least one street so I would go $15 on flop and $40 on turn if called. Probably potting every street if a heart or 6 doesn't come.

This hand is another reason I always raise Axs on button when stacks are at least 100bb. You flop two pair or trips and they give you all the moneys.

15-20

Looks like a complete steal so bombs away. Ditto any non king or ace turn.

Prob not a huge difference to standard 1/2 player if you mash $15 or 20$ on the flop. I can't imagine a player folding to the extra $5 over a pot sized bet because he isn't priced in.

Not sure what you mean about not having a 10 out redraw again the flush. Let's say in this hand example the turn brings a 2d. If villain has a flush in his hand, then I can hit a 6, 2, A or 3 to regain the best hand. There are 10 such cards available.

I'm not implying that I have ten outs if I'm called by an overpair that hits OTT ; I realize that I'm drawing to one out if 99 hits a 9 OTT for instance.

Yeah I think just go for value here maybe overbetting a bit on the flop with a weak passive table.

Let's say instead the turn brings the T(since there are 2 hearts on board, that would be the only way for V to make a flush). Now, sure any T, 6, A, or 3 beats a flush but there are 6 other players in the hand besides you, so let's say at least one of them called the flop with top pair (a 6). Now your outs to a 6 aren't clean, and in fact, if someone calls flop with a set of 6s and/or an overpair of Ts (maybe not likely, I dunno the game), you are now drawing dead to a 3.

Therefore, if you need your redraw, you will have somewhere between 1 and 10 outs if the flush comes OTT. You would have 10 outs vs the straight if it does, in fact, hit with the 2 OTT.

Whoops, meant to say 2h hitting in my original post. But yeah, if we go three to the turn and I'm up against a flush draw as well as top pair then I understand the 6s are not outs; what I meant in my original post is that if I go to the turn against JUST a flush draw that I'll have 10 outs to redraw if that hand hits OTT, giving me a better equity situation than top pair vs flush draw.

Results:

Hero bets $15. All six of the villains fold.

I might be going very results-oriented here, but immediately afterward I wondered if I could have gotten more value by going a touch smaller, say $12 or $13. I'm sure if I try to run a bluff in the same exact spot tomorrow I'll end up getting 3 callers and a check raise, so it is what it is.

I like the $15 sizing since it's easy to bet and easy to call (just 3 chips), and that sometimes makes the difference to low stakes villains. I don't think that $20 gets called as easily as $15, despite what other posters are saying. Although there's probably little difference between $12 and $15.

10

I dig betting $15. Think you did fine. In this situation on this texture, $15 is the same as $10 except it's more money (there's a quote). I do think $20 is a little big.