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06-10-2013 , 09:21 AM
Last nights session had more than it's fair share of suckouts and coolers, and I ended up in a frustrated mindset which had me playing a bit too timid in some spots, and too aggressive in others. This hand stuck in my head...I'm sure this is super standard. Like I said, I wasn't in my best poker mind by the time this hand came around.

My stack is $130, covered. I'm not full because I'm on my last BI for stop-loss.

Hero is in BB, BTN straddle is on for $5.

Hero 9T
MP calls $5
folds around to SB, raises to $10
Hero Calls $8
MP calls $5
BTN calls $5

Flop 979 rainbow

SB Checks
Hero bets $30
MP folds
BTN calls
SB calls

Turn J

SB checks
Hero bets $30
BTN raises to $60
SB raises AI
Hero?
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06-10-2013 , 09:55 AM
Fold pre.

Call.
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06-10-2013 , 10:17 AM
I think you have to call because of the pot odds (you are calling off for ~60 to win 250+)
I would really expect you to be behind here a lot of the time but have outs to draw to a boat. You are getting in pretty much dead against JJ, but I wouldn't be surprised if SB shows up with JJ+ and the btn shows up with a straight. You're only gonna win this a small amount of the time, but you have odds, so it's ok.

As for the hand in general... You aren't nearly deep enough to call with 9Tdd OOP. I fold pre. I would shove turn as you have to get it in otr anyway.
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06-10-2013 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
I'm not full because I'm on my last BI for stop-loss.
Congrats on active BR management. I've been toying with a % of stack stoploss for my stack as well. By the time I'm at 70% of my last buy in I'm not in a good frame of mind and I think I'm just burning that money. You might be in a similar situation.
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06-10-2013 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NicholasK
Congrats on active BR management. I've been toying with a % of stack stoploss for my stack as well. By the time I'm at 70% of my last buy in I'm not in a good frame of mind and I think I'm just burning that money. You might be in a similar situation.
FWIW ... I have this leak as well and starting to take this approach.

As played though ... call ...

You're likely looking to hit a hand and it did ... so run it ... but its still a fold pre (IMO)
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06-10-2013 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Raidion
I think you have to call because of the pot odds (you are calling off for ~60 to win 250+)
I would really expect you to be behind here a lot of the time but have outs to draw to a boat. You are getting in pretty much dead against JJ, but I wouldn't be surprised if SB shows up with JJ+ and the btn shows up with a straight. You're only gonna win this a small amount of the time, but you have odds, so it's ok.

As for the hand in general... You aren't nearly deep enough to call with 9Tdd OOP. I fold pre. I would shove turn as you have to get it in otr anyway.
Thank you for this. After I reviewed the hand, this is the conclusion I came to as well. It's good to know I was looking at it correctly after the fact.

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Originally Posted by NicholasK
Congrats on active BR management. I've been toying with a % of stack stoploss for my stack as well. By the time I'm at 70% of my last buy in I'm not in a good frame of mind and I think I'm just burning that money. You might be in a similar situation.
Thanks, and you're 100% correct. I remember thinking when my stack hit ~$140 that I should just cash out and save that money. This is an aspect of table discipline I'm still working on. For the time being, I'm going to drop my session stop-loss to 2BI instead of 3.
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06-10-2013 , 11:04 AM
fold pre, as said above.
as played, your turn betsizing is awful, way too small. call now.
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06-10-2013 , 12:30 PM
Given stack size, PF is probably a fold. No problem whatsoever with calling if you were deeper though.

I don't like your betsizing throughout, TBH. Given your stack, I'd much rather just c/rai. If you want to lead at it, I'd be closer to $20, intending to ship all raises or turns.

As played, turn should just be a ship.

I guess you just call it off now, hoping to triple up, but I don't think you win, hardly ever. You beat T8 and spazzy overpairs. That's about it.
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06-10-2013 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by hfrog355
Given stack size, PF is probably a fold. No problem whatsoever with calling if you were deeper though.

I don't like your betsizing throughout, TBH. Given your stack, I'd much rather just c/rai. If you want to lead at it, I'd be closer to $20, intending to ship all raises or turns.

As played, turn should just be a ship.

I guess you just call it off now, hoping to triple up, but I don't think you win, hardly ever. You beat T8 and spazzy overpairs. That's about it.
and we beat JJ
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06-10-2013 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
and we beat JJ
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06-10-2013 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NicholasK
Congrats on active BR management. I've been toying with a % of stack stoploss for my stack as well. By the time I'm at 70% of my last buy in I'm not in a good frame of mind and I think I'm just burning that money. You might be in a similar situation.
To be honest, I have a hard stoploss as well (well, almost hard, if I just keep on getting coolered by fish and the game is good and I'm not tilting, I'll keep buying in). However, I always leave whenever my stack falls below one buyin. My thoughts are "if I don't trust myself with only a few more dollars in front of me, why do I trust myself now?". Also I feel like it's a waste of time not playing with a full stack. I either have a full stack in front of me or I go home.
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06-10-2013 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Raidion
To be honest, I have a hard stoploss as well (well, almost hard, if I just keep on getting coolered by fish and the game is good and I'm not tilting, I'll keep buying in). However, I always leave whenever my stack falls below one buyin. My thoughts are "if I don't trust myself with only a few more dollars in front of me, why do I trust myself now?". Also I feel like it's a waste of time not playing with a full stack. I either have a full stack in front of me or I go home.
So lets say you have a 2 buy in stop-loss and you get felted. You rebuy for the max and lets say that the max buy in is 100bb. Now you're sitting there and 2 orbits go by and you've had garbage so folded 6bb and now have the button. You get up and walk out just because you've only got 94 bb left?

I'm not that disciplined but I'm pretty firm with my stop losses because I know I'd top off 6 times if I bend the rules I've set up for myself. I'm thinking of redoing my own stop-loss policy to 2.2 buy ins to allow myself some topping off without breaking my own boundaries.

I have to admit (as do most of us here) the very real chance of slipping from having the propensity to become a compulsive gambler to becoming a degenerate gambler. I need very firm boundaries with myself.
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06-10-2013 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NicholasK
I have to admit (as do most of us here) the very real chance of slipping from having the propensity to become a compulsive gambler to becoming a degenerate gambler. I need very firm boundaries with myself.
QFT. It's the case with so many things in life. So often things in our life are not what we want them to be due to a lack of boundaries. Work, alcohol, relationships, etc. But poker presents a very firm, immediate financial consequence.

I like the 2.2 stop loss idea, too.
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06-10-2013 , 05:05 PM
Your bet sizing is terrible.

What is the pot size on the flop? $50? Hero has $120 left? Shove flop.
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06-10-2013 , 05:06 PM
if the btn straddle is on the SB should have been first to act....hand history doesn't make sense.
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06-10-2013 , 05:31 PM
First action is still to UTG on the BTN straddle. HH is solid. Why would first action go to SB with committed money? Horrible structure, imo.
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06-10-2013 , 05:44 PM
That is, in fact, the most common version of BTN straddle, that SB acts first. Others have said most of it, so I'll just echo the most important parts. Fold pre, now call.
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06-10-2013 , 06:34 PM
turn is a super obvious all in.
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06-11-2013 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
turn is a super obvious all in.
^ This ^

Playing with a strict stop-loss is tough because you end up playing your final buy-in short stacked much of the time. Once you flop trips and lead out for $30 this leaves you with $90 behind. In that spot with a caller you have to show strength to push him out or at worst have outs on the river. The way this hand played out you have $60 behind and facing a $30 call so you're in no-mans land. You are going to end up with all your chips in so shove on the turn to gain fold equity.
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06-11-2013 , 02:59 AM
Stop losses are for pussies. Move in on turn.
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