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1/2: Flopped Straight &FD - Wet board +300BB deep. 1/2: Flopped Straight &FD - Wet board +300BB deep.

07-16-2014 , 11:44 PM
1/2- Around 1:30am fairly loose active table.

Hero: ~$650 (CO) - early 20s semi-reg at this Cas. Playing fairly Lagish at the time. Seen as winning in the game. Made some moves but never needed to show. Been playing about 5.5 hours

Villain: ~$700 (EP) - Middle-age Hispanic guy. Blue collar working rec-fish type. Loose player, a few calls, a few limps. Just came on a table change after previous game broke few orbit prior. Limited info beyond that.

Hand:

(UTG+1) open limps, 2 calls, Hero makes it $5 from CO. BB and limps call.
Making it $5 was 'meh'. It is what it is, we still have position

We go 5 players to the flop; hero has 43

Flop (25) 5 7 6

Utg+1 Checks, Villain(EP) bets $15, MP calls, fold, Hero raises to $60, utg+1 folds. V pauses ~15 seconds re-raises to $140. MP folds. We're heads up

Hero?

My question, since we are fairly deep, how do you proceed after getting 4bet?

I decided to 3bet for two reasons: opinions and thoughts appreciated on this as well

1) For value agains't 2pairs, sets + draws.
2) For clearer information on villains hand strength (i.e better straight?)

Was feeling somewhat comfortable with flush redraw in my back pocket but this was kind of a tricky spot. Ap what is your best line going forward. additionally I already see the merits of fold pre comments, which is fairly understandable.

Thanks for thoughts and comments : )
spoiler later, if curious

Last edited by GuessWhat21; 07-16-2014 at 11:55 PM.
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07-17-2014 , 12:14 AM
At this point in hand pot in control.

Flat flop and flat turn if he bets. If he checks bet 115ish.

River is very marginal if checked to to bet or check behind. Spade should be an out but don't play it to big if you make the flush and he is still playing strong.

Sadly this is the trouble of playing small suited connectors. Big reverse implied odds. When you hit semi big non nutted hands. Raise more pre any suited connector that limped will stay in and you really need to push out those dominating flush draws to gain more ev in these type hands even if your in position. Cause your now bloating a pot and in terrible spot due to hand strength vs villains value range which might include two pair over even agro spewy bigger flush draw bets. Tough spot to play so deep vs an unknown
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07-17-2014 , 12:30 AM
I've got no problem just 3betting AI here against a Hispanic unknown, although knowing how old he is and how he handles his chips would help. Villain could read an AI 3bet as a polarizing range with a lot of semi bluffs, plus we have about 50% equity against a very tight range of sets and made straights.
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07-17-2014 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BuffaloHound
against an Hispanic unknown, although knowing how old he is and how he handles his chips would help.
Between 35-45. Chips are in $100 stacks, not in neat or orderly rows.
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07-17-2014 , 12:51 AM
V NEVER has a combo flush draw here. He might possibly have 89, but that is the only flush possiblity that he would 3! with.

I put him on 2pr+ and he is three betting you to protect against the flush draw.

I would prefer to get it in OTF, but the villian, as described, most likely doesn't have a lot of gamble in him, and is not going to stack off very easily on a draw or 2 pair.

The other problem is that almost half the deck (22 cards) could possibly kill our action OTT.

Is it possible that he has 89 or 48? maybe....but with a board that wet, it is really hard to make 89 a large part of his range.

It is really really hard for me to give him credit for 89 here. When fish flop the absolute nizzles in a five handed pot in early position, they almost always check this as they are sure that someone behind them is going to bet, and then they go for the check raise.

I would 4! to 360 and expect him to pause for a long time as he considers what to do with middle set, or whatever he has.

OTT, if he just calls the flop, I would jam any turn that doesn't pair the board. If the board pairs, I am done with the hand and would fold to almost any size bet OTT. If the board pairs and he checks it to us, check behind, and only call a river bet if we are getting something ridiculous, like 5:1

If he jams flop, he obviously has 89, and you would have to call and hope the flush gets there.
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07-17-2014 , 12:57 AM
Okay my first reply was a little rushed before driving home from work. While driving home I was giving it more thought and not sure if I still like my response.

I'm not totally against playing this for a huge pot considering redraw but recognize how board pairing might change your hand strength. If you run into the nuts what can you rebuy for (ie biggest stack, 100bb, this your last bullet)? If you rebuy what are the other players stack sizes? These are all important questions to consider when playing such a sticky spot for a huge pot.

In that single orbit how many times does said villain limp in. How well is he handling his stack/cutting chips demeanor. God this really feels like a "feel/ intuition spot" on how strong you want to play the hand.

Looking forward to other people's responses. But my final answer play for a huge pot due to redrawn and already having 3rd nuts.
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07-17-2014 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pike58jack
If you run into the nuts what can you rebuy for (ie biggest stack, 100bb, this your last bullet)? If you rebuy what are the other players stack sizes? These are all important questions to consider when playing such a sticky spot for a huge pot.
In that single orbit how many times does said villain limp in. How well is he handling his stack/cutting chips
He isn't chip shuffling or giving off any reg-ish vibe. Weekend warrior type.
It's a 1/2 with max buy $300. One player has ~900, most other players were around 250 with a few short stackers spread among the table.

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07-17-2014 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious

The other problem is that almost half the deck (22 cards) could possibly kill our action OTT
This is a very great point I was contemplating/considering

Last edited by GuessWhat21; 07-17-2014 at 03:14 AM.
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07-17-2014 , 04:12 AM
With all info go ahead put another bet in on the flop and keep building that pot. Hopefully not up against the nuts but reload to 150 bb if you are and can't hit the flush drawn. As mentioned before a lot of turn cards that will kill action between you two so just commit yourself to this hand and get another flop bet in to take away tough turn and river decisions
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07-18-2014 , 03:08 AM
Results:
With board being so wet and potentially a lot of turn scare cards I do elect too re-raise the flop and call off any shuv.

Cliffs:
Hero: 4 3

Flop (25) 6 5 7

Utg+1 Checks, Villain(EP) bets $15, MP calls, fold, Hero raises to $60, utg+1 folds. V pauses ~15 seconds re-raises to $140. MP folds. We're heads up

Hero makes it $340.
Villain goes into the tank, says I have to go all in. Announces all in.
Hero says "Ok" and calls. Pot is around ~1300

Spoiler:

Turn = Blank
River = Brick
no spades or paired board
Final Pot ~(1300)

Villain asks If I have 98 - top straight? No.
I open my hand, expecting to see sets or two pairs
Villain jumps out of his seat fists pumping and and tables 84o exuberantly

Didn't reload just called it a night because I was somewhat put off by him celebrating so much, fist bumping another player while standing over the table.

Thoughts -
Was this play out on my part just too overly aggressive? Spewy? bbv?
How often are others willing to get this in vs this villain otf.
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