1/2 Table has turned over in the past 2 hours. I have been here most of the day trying to grind back the 2 1/2 buy ins I dropped on a couple bad beats very early. There is a mix of short and medium stacks and a mix of weak tight, TAG and loose passives. I have been building my stack mostly seeing cheap flops and stabbing at uncontested pots.

V1 ($100) young dude in EP. his gf is at table. He bought in short, lost most of his stack and just topped off.

V2 ($80) V1's gf. She just jot felted and rebought after a lot of thought. I sense $80 means a lot to her.

V3 ($320) active fairly aggressive player sat down short about an hour ago and has been pretty active.

Hero is CO with Jh9h

V1 raises $15 from early position. His bet sizing has been correlated to his hand strength thus far. Previous hands indicates he probably has AK/AQ. Twice he had big PPs and raised to $22 and 3 times he opened to $15 and it was AK and AQ.

V2 (V1s GF seated one to mi right) says to me I wish he didn't do that, "I really wanted to play this hand"... tanks then calls.

Hero ($415) in CO Jh9h. If his stack is deeper I would love to iso here and squeeze out the others but with his stack Any 3 bet will commit him. I decide I like my hand to see a flop multiway it looks like V3 will be coming along ...I call.

V3 Calls

Flop: ($) 1088

V1 and V2 both check.

I decide that given my equity in the hand I would like to get some money in the pot now. I decide to make a weakish bet to build the pot a little. I figure at least one villain will think I am just stealing with air or maybe have a 10 and will come along and possibly one caller will lead to more.

I bet $30 into $60

V3 has a different plan he 3 bets to $100

V1 folds V2 folds.

Hero?

Fold pre. Don't like your reasoning behind flop bet. We shouldn't try to portray that we are weak when we only have jack high. Rather you bet the flop strong. On flop, do you think villain has fold equity? Do you think he is doing this with a weaker flush draw very often? If either question is yes then shove. Otherwise I'd just call and see if our hand improves on the turn.

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you already butchered this hand with a pre flop call you might as well gambol gambol and jam

The previous decision is irrelevant to the decision at hand. Just because you make a preflop mistake does not mean you necessarily have to go with your hand anytime you hit the flop.

70/260 ~ 28% to see 1 card. I think calling is fine with 15 outs.

I think you can eliminate TT since he probably 3b pre.

Call ott, and most likely call otr since his sizing is giving a good price.

Hand is fine as played, BTW.

Nitpicking (admittedly) but disagree with this. However, I do think there is plenty of 8x that would raise flop.

Pre: Calling $15 pre, with J9hh when the OR only has $100, is a bit of a gamble. I would like his stack to be around 15-25x the amount we are calling in order for stack depth to be deep enough to play the hand.

Another consideration pre, is the only person with stack depth enough for you to play against for this raise size has position on you! So you are playing $220 of your stack only against the In Position Aggro opponent, this is not an ideal situation!

We should be seeking to play SC with depth and position.

Flop: we label Villian as aggro, if he is aggro, and we have fold equity, I would try to utilize it in the best way possible-their are probably multiple thoughts on the best line to do this...

With an OEFD, we have tons of equity against most hand ranges, but we still usually have less than 60%equity in the pot. Fact is, we are often better taking the entire pot down and preventing our opponents from realizing their equity in the pot.

Also of note: is villains raise on flop just a 2-bet or is it considered a 3-bet? I think a bet-raise is a 2-bet, and a bet-raise-reraise is a 3-bet.

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Is it ever right to not shove here? Even if he has an 8, we don't mind being all-in with the overlay in the pot and the possibility of a tough turn decision. If he ever has something worse than an 8 or ever folds, we're doing awesome by shoving.

The potential problem with calling is that if a blank rolls off and he makes a big bet, we might have to fold with a huge amount of equity. I guess if he has 200 behind and the pot is 320, we're not folding even if he shoves the turn (unless it's an 8), so maybe that consideration isn't relevant here. I guess I'm with you.

It's a pretty close spot and neither shoving nor calling will ever be terrible. You are correct, if villain ever folds to our shove then shoving is definitely the best play. If he's never folding, then we need to be good like 43% given the dead money and it's still fairly close but our equity isn't quite that high vs his range.

the problem with the jam is the board is paired and we might be drawing dead plus we have no or very little FE.

also fold pre especially against two short stacks

Easy fold pre and definatively not a betting flop. Only two cards you can afford to see here!

Grunching ...

As played, call; C/F turn. Flop sizing would narrow your range more towards draws, perhaps sm/med pps. Not sure how much FE we have by 3-betting. Also, not crazy about compounding a pf mistake by gii. Pre is clearly a fold this shallow.

Thanks for getting right on the responses guys... Wtf? 5 years???? There will be no results since I don't remember the post or the hand LOL.

And yeah with v1 being short fold pre

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Haha ... did not read the post date, but thought this particular hh did not appear as fundamentally sound as your other posts. Nice!

Lol 5 years later😹😹

LOL I was wondering about this haha, like didn't you jump into $2/5 & $5/10 by now?

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No 5/10. The room I play spreads 1/2, 1/3 and 2/5. Mostly I play 1/3 500, 2/5 1000 and occasionally the 2/5 2500 game that plays similarly to 5/10.

After looking at my w/r over a decent sample I've made the 1/3 my main game (75%) and play the 2/5s when the lineups are most favorable. When the 2/5 is the biggest game and there is only 1 or 2 games it's somewhat reg infested and the hourly I seem to make is comparable to what I make in 1/3 but with bigger swings.

If I go to other casinos that spread bigger games 2/5 would be my standard choice usually.