V1 ($200): Loose fishy reg (45ish white guy) who has already gone through a couple buy-ins and is involved in way too many hands. C-bets near 100%.

V2 ($450): Loose and even fishyier than V1 (mid 30's middle eastern) but recently got lucky and built up a stack.

V3 ($700): Overall pretty solid and tighter (50ish white guy), though I have seen him raise pre with J10 from late position, so not quite nitty. Other regs at the table have joked that if he gets involved in a big pot, he always has close to the nuts and he sort of tacitly agreed with them. I did see him lose $300 when he got all in with a looser aggressive player on a 55910 turn when he had Ax and lost to 9 9 though.

Hero ($300): probably seen as a TAG. Involved in a few hands but I've only been at the table for about an hour.

V1 opens $7 from EP, V2 calls from MP, Hero calls from SB with 33, V3 calls from BB.

Flop ($25): 356 Hero checks, V3 checks, V1 bets $15, V2 calls, Hero raises to $55, V3 raises to $110.

Hero?

Good lord, a cold c/3bet from an older guy who was in the BB?

I think we might have to actually consider folding here for 150bb. It makes me want to puke, and I might not be able to be good enough to do so at the table, but this line is pretty nutted.

Call. Getting like 4:1 on a call here thanks to his min-raise. Hope the board pairs. If he gives you good enough odds on the turn, call again. If he's got the straight you have outs. If he has 2 pair, you have him crushed. If he has a higher set, it's a cooler. Judging from his flop raise, it's likely he'll bet small on the turn. If the board pairs, I'm all in. If I make it to river and he shoves, I probly fold.

Waits for V1 and V2 to act. (I'm guessing you left out that they folded.)

If V3 is the sort who thinks you would need at least two pair to go for a check-raise here, he probably has either a set or a straight and not two pair.

How does our equity look against a range from a tight older white guy who check/cold 3bet raises on this board?

Pretty sure his range is exclusively {44/66/24/47} with maybe a very small discounted number of 46.

And we're not getting 4:1, because the hand doesn't end on the flop. It's going to cost us ~240 more to see this guy's hand, with probably the rest being on the turn. So we really need 240/450 or so in equity, which I severely doubt we have.

We also still have two opponents behind us on the flop, which may not mean much at this point but nor can we completely ignore.

I think this is an easy shove.

(Yes, my mistake V1 and V2 folded). So on flop Hero calls $110.

Turn ($260): 10 so board is 356 10. Hero checks, V3 bets $150. Hero?

Then 10 is essentially meaningless. You're either WA/WB.

I'd prefer a donk bet over a x/r that asks everyone to fold.

AP, a x/rr of a x/r in a 4way hand is ridiculously strong. You have 50% equity against 66,55,65 but only 25% against 66,55,65s. If he can ever have an overpair or 78 or 54, etc here you can commit. Isn't this a shove or fold spot? What did you hope to accomplish by calling?

Bet. The. Flop.

As played I fold. Can't see us being good very often vs another c/r.

You are dead on the flop people putting the straight draw, pair + draws in the range are nuts

You need to discount 65 alot too since that is very aggressive for that hand

I'd fold and feel really good about it, online 1/2 almost never played aggro enough for this to be worth going 150bb with and live is way more passive

Generally I don't fold sets.

That being said, those saying he could have a straight aren't paying attention. He's not calling 47 or 42. This is 56s or 55,66. It's just a combo counting exercise at that point. Unless you think he can be dumb with 77-99, but if that were true you could probably bring the straights and 45 back into it.

I wouldn't be shocked if he called from the BB with 47s given the read that he's not that tight PF. I would be shocked though if he cold 3-balled this flop with anything worse than top two though. I don't fold sets often, but this is a spot where Hero should consider doing so. In game I probably shove and then kick myself for it later.

this.

he has 47 or 24 or a higher set. This is not even a thread when you consider that this is out of the BB in an small raised pot.

oh ****. can't stop laughing. another one for the block list.

V is never ever C/3betting the flop with 56. Ever.

The OP told us that he's been raising things like JTs etc, but that's an awful lot different than calling 24 and 47 from the BB.

If he is never 3betting 56, and he can't have 24 or 47, then his only range is 55 and 66.

Or he's not as tight as we think and he can have 24, 47,

Or he's not as good as we think and he can have 56, 54, 77-99 as well.


Only OP can tell us which.

wrong. it's only five more and he is in the BB get like 5:1 on his call pre. He will show up with 24 or 47 here.

As i said, only OP can tell. If he's decent then he's not.

This could definitely be 77.

Depends on what bb thinks of OP.

Thanks for the comments. After some time thinking about it myself, I really this is the type of situation that separates good players (what I fancy myself) from world class players.

I wasn't good enough to fold on the turn and shoved and he showed up with 55. I really discounted him having 24 or 47 (I had seen him open raise w/ J10s, but wasn't playing many hands over all) and he was a good enough player to that there was no way he was x/rr with an overpair. I even think if he had 56 he would have flatted my x/r.

If the PF open had been normal sized, we could have discounted or excluded flopped straights. But for a pot sweetener type open like $7, many many players even tight ones will flat that size from the BB.

Sucks to get coolered OP. Don't beat yourself up too much. Again it's easier to say it's a fold on the forums, at the table I probably level myself into a call. But yeah I think we're always beat here. The check/cold 3bet line is so nutted.