Hey, I appreciate your time and effort random citizens. Just wondering if I missed some value on a hand from a while ago. Don't remember exact details but I will do my best.

I had a large stack and had just moved to a new table, wanted to create a slightly loose image so I opened K9. Read on the villain is minimal, but he is definitely a recreational player. He is having a beer and a good time, I have already over heard him stating random incorrect poker logic. He has played 3 out of 5 pots i've seen.

effective stack is ~$300. Hero opens to $10 in CO with K9. Button and BB call. Pot ~ $35

Flop is K99. BB checks, Hero c-bets $20, Button folds, BB check raises to $45. Hero hollywood tanks and calls. Pot ~ $125

Turn is 4 BB checks, Hero checks. River is 2, BB bets $45, Hero raises to $110. Villain tanks and calls with KJ.

my reasoning behind the slow play is I did not have a real range to put him on, and since I hit the entire board I didn't want to chase him away. Just wondering where in my line I could have added more value, or if I should have played more aggressively.

I look forward to some feedback and thanks again for your time! (Btw I am a new poster and if any of my posting format is awful I would appreciate some feedback there too lol.)

Against this villain I'd probably re-raise flop because he sounds pretty terribad. Your turn check is really bad. Raise more on river.

Bet the turn. You may have won the maximum here by some fluke. Looks like he is a player who has it in his head that you can't just call a bet and must raise as calling is weak and you never know where you are at.

Seems good.

The thing is if he is check raising then trapping (this weird line happens occassionally), with the other nine, then he will never ever fold so we want to make sure we can get stacks in.

Thanks for the replys! Yeah I can see why the turn check was bad I am discounting a street of value for sure. I guess if I had bet the turn (assuming he c/c's both streets) I could have set up a shove on the river. I think this line probably did get max value from KJ though.

I like the call otf. A reraise could scare off action and you have position. Also, about a 2 SPR should be good to get all the chips in on the turn and river.

So bet like 70 ott and push the river.

Yeah and even if you usually can't get 2 more bets (ie stack him) with Kx it's worth it to at least try against a player who seems bad because the few times you win that bigger 2nd bet will outweigh the value you give up in cases where he folds Kx OTT but would have called if you checked turn and bet river. Or maybe he has a gutterball or something in which case a turn bet is clearly better; who knows vs. an unknown fish.

Minidurr I really don't like 3-betting flop even if he calls with Kx because a lot of his range is air that you want him to keep betting with. And on a dry board like this one there won't be many turn/rivers where he'd have called a flop 3-bet but won't call turn/river bets anyway.

I dont think so. This is something I am struggling with too but you are giving him too much credit.

It is an error of a lot of people on llsnl that they assume too often that their opponent is completely clueless. Just because your opponent has insane leaks and bad thinking doesn't mean they are unable to fold when obviously beat. Okay he called the river raise here but that was finishing the action and he knows he won't have to play for stacks.

I like the call on the flop, as we obviously don't want a fold here. The check raise from a rec player is usually a sign of a really good hand. Id bet the turn here 100% of the time, somewhere in the 65-80 range. This sets us up to play for stacks on the river.

I'm inclined to think you got a decent pot from a random Kx hand, considering you flopped the world. NH. That being said you can cbet a little bigger, 25 or so, this makes his raise bigger = bigger pot. I would bet turn again, but an argument can be made that you were only paid off bc you checked the turn. In his mind when you call, 9x, Kx are in your range. When you check turn I believe this eliminates the 9 from your range and allows villain to call otr. However, if you cbet bigger, bet ott, I think we can get our stack in otr. But that's assuming he doesn't shut down, which he may if you bet turn. The guaranteed way to get more value is simply betting bigger otf which allows for a bigger river bet.

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I think this is the best way to play it. If he's raising your bet of $20.. he's raising a bet of $25 to 30 creating a larger pot making it easier to get stacks in even if you check back turn. If he's folding to the $25-$30 bet he's folding to the $20 bet anyway so makes more sense to bet larger on the flop.

Flatting flop is fine but I'm definitely betting turn.

checking turn is fine. you get more out of Kx

Thanks a lot for your input everyone. I can see the argument for betting the turn here but I think it makes my flat call on the flop look strange? And I do agree that my check on the turn allowed me to get the river bet called. Maybe could have gotten two streets of value because if he thought he was ahead otf then the turn and river changed nothing.

I think that c-betting bigger is my favorite piece of advice so far. Nothing is calling $20 that isn't coming along for $25 or $30

Given that his line on the flop is 9x or complete air, good flat on flop.

Turn he checks, so I assume he doesn't have 9x or a strong hand, more of complete air. I dont mind checking back turn here and hope he stabs at the river. We probably aren't going to be able to bet/call bet bet here and get value from a weak K because pot is going to be pretty big by river.

We have a singular goal when we flop a big ~nuttish hand: to play for stacks. So long as our line has a good chance of accomplishing that goal, it's fine; if it doesn't have a good chance at doing that, then it's a bad line (with the exception being that we are simply far far far too deepstacked and we'll just have to do our best to win as big as pot as possible).

With no limpers to me preflop, I'm also opening any playable hand in the CO.

I'd bet closer to pot on the flop. We're either getting action or we ain't. So let's start building that pot as quickly as possible for the times we do get action. If we bet close to pot, we'll be able to bet 75% of pot on the turn which will leave us with a reasonable << PSB shove for the river.

I'm fine with the flatting of the raise. The board ain't very drawy (so there are few cards that can come that will shut down our action). We're in position, so we'll be able to make sure a bet goes in on the turn. Stacks are such that we'll be easily able to play for them by the river.

The big mistake was on the turn. By checking behind, we now go to the river in a $125 pot with $245 left, so we'll be forced to overshove for 2x the pot in order to play for stacks (which, remember, is our singular goal when flopping a ~nuttish hand). Horrible check behind. Just bet $75+ or whatever which will set up an easy river shove.

As played, on the river I would just overbet shove anyways. Hopefully he has a 9x that he can't fold or he makes a bad call with a Kx. Go for the gold, but this is so much easier to do had we simply bet the turn.

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I also like betting more on the flop. 9s and Ks will call/raise a bet > $20. I'd also bet the turn - an amount that looks like you might be trying to buy it. If you put more money in on the flop and turn, it makes getting even more money in easier on the river.

fine up to turn, good that you bet the flop
100 ott
200 all in otr,

He calls or doesn't, but play him for a big hand. Hopefully a 9. That said, he may call with the hand he had. or a better king. Just play for stacks when you flop a house. The rare times that V folds turn and would have called river if you check the turn are much less important than the missed big bet here.

Don't tank call the flop. Make a normal call. Don't snap call him either. If I see a tank call I usually slow down. It rarely is a sign of weakness.

Bet $30 on the flop. If you get c/r'd ($75), then call. Bet small on the turn ($90) and push river ($125). You will get called for stacks.

If he doesn't c/r the flop, then b/b/b for 30/75/185. A little more difficult to get a call here but definitely doable.

And I definitely agree with mikko, this is not the time to slow down. If you think (tank), then it gives the V time to think.

Played fine, I think u maxed ur value here, I'd do same thing, since bb didn't 3bet pre, less chance he had ak without Ka it's even harder for him to stack off

I do understand we wanna stack off somewhere alone this hand, but not all villain will stack off with a single king jack kicker here

I think you got the max- I think villain c/c the turn if you bet, then c/f the river.

However- I'm surprised villain called the river raise... I really like flatting the flop in position. To me, opponent checking the turn basically turns his hand face up- he would lead turn with air and 9x.... So it's tough to play a big pot vs Kx. I think you got the max