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[1/2] Flopped 2nd nut flush draw in limped pot [1/2] Flopped 2nd nut flush draw in limped pot

10-03-2016 , 09:52 AM
This hand happened early into my 1/2 session last night at Foxwoods, 10 handed table. Table is playing fairly standard, one spewers who limps this hand but folds flop. Stacksizes in this hand are varied (aka I forget) but no one has less than $100 to start and multiple players who play past the flop have $250 plus. Hero has about $300.

Hero is ~30y.o. WG, might have an aggressive image, might not. Raised preflop twice in 30 minutes, made a flop 2bet (about 2.5x original bet after a caller) that got 2 folds in a limped pot.

Edit: UTG2 is 50y.o. WG, seems on the tighter side. Level 1 type player capable of some hand reading. MP is 60y.o. guy, haven't seen anything noteworthy. MP2 is 40y.o. dude who just sat down. Sorry for bad descriptions/reads but in an 8way limped pot cards obviously matter more than players and everyone seemed kinda straightforward. And I forget.

6 limps to Hero who completes SB with K3

$14 Flop Q84

I check BB check UTG check UTG2 bets $10, MP, MP, BTN call. I get no livetells from BB or UTG either way. Hero calls $10, other 2 fold.

$51 Turn Q84 T

Hero bets $10 UTG2 folds, MP call, MP call, BTN fold.

$81 River Q84 T 2

Hero bets $10, MP call, MP raise $25, Hero folds

Thoughts on the turn is mostly what I'm looking for. I bet $10 trying to induce a raise from a lower flush. Not really sure what I'm repping here, but a lower flush will usually raise here, allowing me to do something like min 3bet which they will never fold to. Flop is too thin to squeeze I think? I force all lower flush draws out while possibly setting myself up to lose a huge pot to the NFD. I'm open to being wrong here but imo most of our value comes from flush over flushing someone. River pretty easy fold obv. Thoughts on all streets appreciated though.

Last edited by Millnoc; 10-03-2016 at 09:58 AM. Reason: added vil descriptions
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10-03-2016 , 10:55 AM
Your $10 turn bet just gave the Ah sweet odds to call. Anyone with a small flush is going to bet, so either check, looking to check raise or better yet....bet $35-$40. Small flushes, sets, 2 pair, or the Ah are all going to call.
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10-03-2016 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Your $10 turn bet just gave the Ah sweet odds to call. Anyone with a small flush is going to bet, so either check, looking to check raise or better yet....bet $35-$40. Small flushes, sets, 2 pair, or the Ah are all going to call.
The kind of player who calls $10 with two pair is the kind that doesn't bet two pair on this board imo
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10-03-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Millnoc
The kind of player who calls $10 with two pair is the kind that doesn't bet two pair on this board imo
Have to agree with Starr on this one. Many will see 2pr as a mere calling hand but will call a $35 - $40 bet. You're thinking too much.
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10-03-2016 , 06:01 PM
Why such a small bet on the turn?
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10-03-2016 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Millnoc
The kind of player who calls $10 with two pair is the kind that doesn't bet two pair on this board imo
Im not sure how you responded with this after what I said. I didnt say 2 pair will bet if you check to them, although they should be betting. I said people with 2 pair, sets, small flushes or the Ah will call a bigger bet so bet bigger
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10-04-2016 , 08:39 AM
As played I would make a standard bet on the flop, maybe 30? That way bad players who have A(h) can convince themselves to call and anyone with equity like 2p will call, allowing you to value bet the river nicely on any blank river
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10-04-2016 , 11:04 AM
Turn should have been a bet to $40. You're betting small to try to induce a raise from a small flush, but that hand may raise a bigger bet anyway. Your $10 bet is giving the NFD or a set direct odds to call, and even two pair now has great implied odds to hit a boat on a river. Only advantage to betting super small is getting a call from a weak single pair hand, which isn't worth it.

As played, I don't think I would fold for another $15 OTR. You've played it so weirdly that someone could be value betting a worse flush.
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10-04-2016 , 06:51 PM
Sounds like people who commented think my play was way too fancy. Considering that no one raised me, I agree. That said, no one had a flush. Someone did have the Ah however and would have called a bigger bet. Trying to induce in a game like 1/2 is almost always a mistake I think but I wanted to try it.

Does anyone check the turn or are we always firing from the SB here?
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10-11-2016 , 01:42 AM
You played this horribly. If you're going to donk turn, donk like 70% pot. river you can't fold given the size he made it - some live regs vraise Jh here.
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