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08-06-2018 , 03:16 PM
Hero($220): 20 Year Old WM, looks younger. Strong image against most at table. Has been reasonably card dead and hasn't connected with any board so haven't played in any big hands.

V($300ish): Opens a lot. Only real hand I have on him is when he opened to 11 from EP and I 3-bet to 35 with 89dd from the button and he folded.

Hand:
UTG open to 10, UTG+1 call, V calls from UTG+2, I call from CO with T8cc, SB calls.
Thoughts on the call?

Flop($52): 4x6c7c

Checks to V who bets 35
Hero?

Genuniely don't know what to do here. He's representing 2Ps and sets or strong flush draws. We have zero fold equity against 2Ps and sets so raising doesn't accomplish anything against those hands since we're already getting a good price to see a turn IP. If he has a strong flush draw then we're drawing to our 6 outs.

Hero decides to flat.
Folds around.

Turn($122):7d
V checks.
Hero?
My thought process here is that Villain would be checking his entire flop bet range here I'd imagine since if he's improved to a boat, he'd now want me to make my draw or take a stab at it, and if he has a strong flush draw, then my range is now very polarized and a bet would accomplish close to nothing.
I decide to check behind and take my free river.

River($122): Js
V bets 50 we fold

Is a flop raise the correct play and if so, what sizing do we go for. AP flop, is turn a bet/jam? Thanks in advance
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08-06-2018 , 03:26 PM
Pre: I think it's fine. You're getting 3:1 immediately to look at a flop in late position. Depending on your read of SB and BB, can expect 4:1, so I would take a flop.

Flop: I like a flat here. I think that you're right about no fold equity, although without a read, I'm not sure that you can narrow his range so tightly to 2 pair+. You have 15 outs, and so a ton of equity, and if you were heads up, I'd be much more inclined to suggest raising, but with 3 other players in the hand, calling this bet, and hope to see one or more of the others come along to increase your equity in the hand, without exposing yourself to greater risk, is the right move.

Turn: Good check.

River: Easy fold.
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08-06-2018 , 07:50 PM
Pre imo is slghtly losing (a lot moreso if you are going to spew post) im sure other posters would disagree.

Your reasoning post is good, flop call is good he should have a strong range for leading mostly good draws and sets and two pair.

Ott his range is the same and you arent folding good draws like NFD or combo draws and obv boats.

Otr good fold
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08-06-2018 , 10:31 PM
Nh gg wp
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08-06-2018 , 10:58 PM
Villain bet after the preflop raiser checked. How does that translate to him having 2 pair or a set? Im never calling this flop bet. I would make a healthy raise, but I would 100% jam the flop before I would call the flop.

He checks the turn and that means hes trapping you? Maybe he has TT and the 7 pairing scared him, as it should. You really cant call with this hand preflop if youre going to play it so passively on this board.
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08-06-2018 , 11:20 PM
Although I can't argue with how the hand was played (even if the PF call feels meh to me), there were definitely some MUBSy vapors appearing on the flop.
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08-07-2018 , 01:28 AM
Thinking about the flop a bit more.. If we’re raising sets and straights for value on the flop I think we need to be raising this hand too.
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08-07-2018 , 01:31 AM
^ we should literaly have 0 combos of straights otf

Raising here with very few FE when we can just call and drag people along to increase our pot odds as well as our implied odds doesnt make too much sense. His range otf is pair + draw, NFDs, overs + FD, sets, some straights and some two pair, maybe A5s, 88-JJ. I literally dont see any reason to raise against that range when we can just flat and let other players come in, as opposed to raising into a strong range with 10 high
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08-07-2018 , 03:52 AM
Hand seems okay to me. There's some argument to whether PF should be a fold, but I think it's fine to play this hand in the CO for what seems to be a reasonably small open in a MW pot.

There's also merit to raising flop and applying max pressure, but that comes down to perceived FE. Given that V is betting into 3 players behind him plus the original raiser that checked, and you still have players to act behind you, flatting is completely reasonable.

Once you've just flatted the flop, I think you just have to play straight forward and try to hit your hand if the price is reasonable. Obviously if you're going to play your draw fast, it should be OTF where you have the most equity. If you've already decided to take the passive line OTF, then call turn and fold river.
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08-07-2018 , 05:12 AM
Jam flop for thin value imo. Villain's range isn't as strong as people are assuming. When the PFR and two other players check to him, and there's only one to act behind, he's probably feeling pretty good about 7x, 88-QQ, 56, etc. Not saying he necessarily folds many of these hands to a jam, but he doesn't have to. Our hand has a lot of equity against basically everything (e.g. we're a favorite against two pair).

Flatting will not be -EV ldo, but I don't really like it, since our outs are obvious, and it's hard for us to cooler somebody (only the four 9s are useful for this). Like if the 5 falls, we're not getting paid usually. And if the 3c falls and some flop overcaller jams, it's not a great spot.

You can flat these super combo draws sometimes, but I prefer on a board like Jc9c2d, where your straights are a little more disguised and there are more worse flush draws that can overcall.
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