Hay

HERO/BB(350) Young 20s white, laggy at the table but clean image, shown down goods.

Rusky/CO(150) MAWG Russian, tight and quiet, drinknig "fodkah"

GrandPa/BTN(250) OMC, social security rec player, probably hiding from his wife, retired, kids grown up and nothing better to do than slowly die in a poker chair.

4 limps, hero checks BB with T8

5way
FLOP(10) J9K

HERO checks
checks to BTN who bets 11
HERO C/R to 30
Rusky CO cold calls
Grandpa BTN calls

TURN(100) T

HERO?

boths Vs limp pretty wide here, Grandpa has some Ks and Js in range amongst other things he may have taken a rnadom stab with (gutshots ect)

Unsure of Ruskys range, limping alot of PPs and SCs and broadways

lead or x/c flop > x/r

also your description of the older player is pretty unnecessary, being a tad more humble wont hurt

Why are we c/r flop? Just c/c.

Turn c/c small bets, fold to bigger bets.

Edit: We've got two draws which are both dominated by other hands. Not quite the world, but maybe a continent

I thought a C/R was best because I could see what everyone else was doing and decide if calling or raising was best.

When everbody checks to btn I feel like raise is the best move.

As opposed to leading where a lot of hands will/can call a straight forward lead some of those hands will fold to a c/r

C/R makes sense if BTN is "stabby," but he's an OMC, sooooo....

I'm likely c/f turn.

Also, OMC is really a good guy. You know he raised those 5 adult kids on his own when his wife died giving birth to their youngest child?

Uhm. Your reasoning for the c/r belongs in the donkbet section.





Do you actually know him or is this a troll? #ineedtoknow

You have so much equity on this flop that the only thing i would have done differently is to c/r bigger like to 45-50..

Prob not, but description sounds a lot like an OMC I played with last week. So there is a possibility.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think a c/r will add more fe as opposed to a lead out.

His first wife died?

JFC I feel horrible now.

Only issue with c/r is that you have a lot less fold equity in a limped pot. First of all the pot is so much smaller than a raised pot, so all you're really doing is building a pot for someone who has top pair. Second, this smacks any random player's limping range... so many draws and pair+ combos out there.

I think this hand / draw / line has much more value in position in a raised pot but that's just me.

What??? His comment paralleled the one when someone is rude to women and someone replies "that's your own mother you're talking about" -- except now it's about a father.

Probably if the hand history was only about poker the Hero would receive more poker-related advice -- but the OP started it.

In any case I don't like the check-raise with a hand like this, especially out-of-position where we can't take a free card if we don't hit. I'd rather check-raise gut-shots and sets (in the right proportion) on the flop. All we've accomplished now is putting in a lot of money with ten-high.

Long story short: Don't check-raise without a plan for the most likely eventuality -- which is for your draw not to come on the turn.

With that kind of board, you're rarely going to have enough FE to justify a c/r. Nobody's laying down TP or other combo draw given your descriptions. C/C is the correct line.

There doesn't seem like there's much of a plan on this hand...

You check-raised 2.5x OOP against 4 opponents (not much FE)...one being an OMC who bet pot on the button. If you were going to check-raise, it needed to be bigger around $45...lead turn and give up if you don't hit on river.

I prefer leading out on the flop in these spots though...your hand is well disguised from the BB. Don't like inflating a pot OOP against multiple opponents with a non-nutted drawing hand.

Lead>c/c>c/r

I know omc that will insta fold to any aggression and ones that will nvr fold tp... Just figure out which one he is..