Hey new LLSNL forum. Played a coupla hands at Mohegan today that have been bothering me, so I figured I'd stop in & say hai & post one. Feel free to berate me relentlessly...I come from 4L so I enjoy that sorta thing, but I'm also sure y'all will set me straight on the actual hand as well, thx.

Villain #1: prob mid 20s, slightly overly-aggressive at random times, but fairly competent. Had been a lil loose earlier after getting his overpair cracked by 52 & shoving his short stack around, but since rebuying had been playing a better game. Bout $250 in front of him.

Villain #2: old d00d. Extremely tight. Min-reraised several times with big pairs, & can be pushed out of pots. Prob bout $300 in front of him.

Me: bout 30, but every1 thinks I'm younger what with slacka attire & such (baseball hat, hoodie today). Reasonably tight image, but def had mixed it up with some randomness here & there. Bout $250.

Villain #1 raises to $16 from utg+2. I flat from cutoff with 66, which I suppose is questionable, but I didn't at all mind playing a hand in position against him.

Villain #2 raises to $32 from sb. Original raiser calls, I call. At this point I'm pretty sure I'm setmining, but meh.

Anyway, flop comes 963r. Villain #2 leads out for $40, villain #1 flats comfortably...I should

OK. we need to value raise here. while this board is dry, there are some scare cards. make it $110 on the flop and shove turn

Just call since 78 is pretty much never in their ranges and there are no FD's. V2 seems the type who will hang himself OTT if he has anything at all.

Raise here. V2, by your description, prob has overpair but you mentioned he can be pushed out of pots so don't overdo it, raise to about 100 total and hope someone reraises to get you allin. If called get allin on turn no matter what card comes.
By your description neither villain should be on a draw here, if V1 has 99 it's just a cooler.

Sounds a lot like V2 has overpair, likely 1010-AA, cbetting this flop would make a lot of sense, esp with 10's-Q's, esp with two players behind. Can't imagine any bad cards OTT so overcalling here is an option, folding obviously isn't. raising seems risky if V1 has folded over pairs when played back at. IP, i'd call here and bet/raise any turn to set up stacks on OTR. you'll have about ~$170 effective OTT with ~$150 already in the middle, so any bet would commit either V OTR.

I like overcalling the flop and shipping like any turn card

What do you put villain one on? Kind of a weird spot really, but I think I am raising here and not loving when I have to get my stack in against villain one. IMO you raise because there are some cards on the turn that scare the old guy into not betting (like AK if hes got QQ-TT) but where he might call a smaller raise from you on the flop. I make it around 100 straight and take it from there. With the cold call in the middle I think the old guy might feel like he has to protect against that kind of action and reraise you himself. For whatever reason I feel like the middle man here has a set though haha

old man has QQ+ and heavily weighed towards KK+.

Pete, good point about the middle guy. he can't really be in there super light...

if villain #1 has 99, it's a cooler.

If villain #2 can be pushed out if you raise, like you said in your info. I like calling to keep both in. Shove any turn after villain #2 bets out the turn.

I think I agree with this the most. It's not like there's a bajillion cards that scare us on the turn and it's a pretty dry flop. Raising a flop like this really screams strength to any sensible player. I would call, and ship the turn. Pot will be big enough to do so anyways.

Hey Jmurder

Great avatar.

I'd just call here, 96 in the pot before the flop and after his bet, the call and your call there will be 216, and you have about 170 behind. This means it'll be pretty easy for you to get stacks in before the river.

The only way I would raise here is if you think 78 or 45 are in villain 1's range, it doesn't sound like they'd ever be in villain 2's range.

Usually they're not in his range, but you said he's been playing looser, so if you meant that he's playing really loose and is raising these from ep now, I think this is a raise and just try to get it in on the flop, I doubt villain 2 is ever folding an overpair anyways so it doesn't matter when you try to get the money in really.

I probably fold preflop the first time round, although admittedly that's probably a little on the nitty side. We're against what is described a competent villain (who I'm guessing is less likely to stack off with a non-short stack than he was with his short stack earlier) and we're only getting 15:1 with effective stacks here (I'd like 20+). Whatever.

If we simply call the flop, there will be ~$215 in the pot and we'll have ~$180 left. Since we'll have no problems getting all the money in on the turn/river and the board isn't that drawy, I think slowplaying is fine here. If the board was more drawy or the pot was a lot smaller (relative to effective stacks) then I think raising here would be the way to go.

GcluelessNLnoobG

*Grunch*

Raise to $100 to keep your range wide (thanks ANL!). Villains won't be able to fold getting such good odds. They may also jama-lama-ding-dong. Ship any turn. Pair the board after villain 1 gets there with his 56s on the turn.

This is exactly what I did...raise to $110 planning on shoving turn.

This is exactly what I feel like I should have done.

& this is a good parsing out of the logic I wish I had followed.

I was thinking somewhere around TT, JJ for V1 & KK, AA for V2. Prob should have a wider range for both, that's basically where I was pretty sure they were at tho.

Ya, agree strongly with the range at the time based on my read.

I wasn't remotely concerned about 99...I mean yeah, it was possible, but I was more than willing to play for stacks. Was just a matter of the best way to make it happen, & I agree that this would be the best way.

Thx BGP, how ya been? They make some good avatars for me over thurrr.

I agree with this logic a lot, especially the part about calling.

What I realized fully after is that when I raise there after my play pre-flop, I'm basically turning my hand face up.

V2 instafolded what I still thought was KK, but I suppose could have been AK in hindsight, & V1 tankfolded what I strongly feel was TT.

I feel like I lost a ton of value by not flatting & letting 1 of them fire out the turn, or if they check to me my bet looks a lot less strong than raising on the flop.

Thx for all the advice y'all, been fun