1/2 at ElDorado in Shreveport. Usually the home for old nits and this night was no different.

Table: Mostly old farts. A few fairly competent older dudes and a couple horrible fish.

Hero: playing tag but had been card dead for a while. ($260)

Villain 1: Really bad player. Seen him call down with top pair weak kicker a few times and lose. Had recently bought back into the game after going busto with two pair vs. a set. ($200)

Villain 2: Decent old reg. I've seen him use aggression in a few spots to take down pots when it was obvious the others in the hand were weak. He had also taken a few pots down with nice sized value bets where he had the best hand. One of the better players at the table for sure.

Preflop: Hero is OTB with A10
Limps around to Hero who raises to $12. V1 in BB calls and V2 UTG+2 calls.

flop: 1067

V1 bets $20, V2 raises to $45 Hero??

Raise more pre and fold flop. Prolly not behind both Vs but you are likely to have very low equity facing probably both straight and flush draws and sets

2 choices:


1. Fold

2. Make it 100 and if called you get to shut down. (Side note, Yes 100 isn't is a small amount there ,but I don't think Villain 2 will call you with hand you beat) If you think he would call with Gut shot 1 pair combos then you can make it more. What hands do you think he calls 12 with preflop?

Bleh.

Preflop- $12 after a table full of limpers? I don't mind a call or a raise, but if you raise it should be more like $18-20.

Flop- I don't think you can flat. There's a good chance V2 is trying to isolate the fish in front of him, so I could see the case for a r/f line

Another thing to consider is whether V1 leads with medium strength hands like TPGK. You said in the description that he had called down with top pair and lost, but I think knowing if he would play JT or QT this way is a big deal.

You should explain why he should bet more preflop, not just blindly tell him to do so.

I'd fold against an older guy raising. He probably has us crushed our has a big draw. I don't really like calling and trying to win 3 way in this type of situation.

And how many limpers are in front of you? I don't see how raising to $12 is that bad with this hand but maybe $15 could be better. $18-20 seems too high.

I'll leave the math to him, but I will say that I've found $12 to be much worse than $13-14 due to the recreational player who finds it much easier to throw in two more red chips as opposed to actually having to think about change, etc.

We should raise more to fold out A2-A9 and keep in AJ-AK, I get it.

Fold.

Sorry. Should have put this in my first post. 4 total limpers on an 8 handed table. I thought my pf raise size was pretty standard for that many limpers. Average pf raise had been 8-10 for the table.

If you're ahead, which is a big "if," it's an RIO hand. With all the outs to straights and flushes (and even just overcards), you likely can be ahead here but not have a great % to win. I'm folding.