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Old 09-01-2019, 09:00 PM   #1
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1/2: Flop decision w/ OESD

Villain ($800): late 50's WG, rock grinder, he's ex CIA or something and sort of has the tough guy Liam Neeson from Taken vibe. I have 50 -60 hours with him. Probably eeks out a small long-term profit because he is patient, but I've rarely ever seen him 3-bet and he doesn't like to put big money in the pot unless he has a big hand (this local casino allows match-the-stack, so 1-2 game plays very deep usually). One a bit unorthodox play I've seen him make a couple of times is check/raise OOP as the pre-flop agressor with TPTK/overpair seeming hands. The one time he was called he checked it down after than w/ AK on a KQ752 runout.

Hero ($550): 30ish WG, probably a true TAG image to V. He views me as solid and a little looser and more aggressive than himself but he doesn't think I get out of line all that much.

OTTH... 2 limpers, Hero makes it $16 OTB with 67, SB folds, Villain min-raises (??) to $32 in BB, limpers fold, hero calls.

Flop ($65): 45J Villain checks, Hero bets $35, Villain raises to $100. Hero??
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Old 09-01-2019, 09:25 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2: Flop decision w/ OESD

I think you can check behind on the flop. It’s a rainbow so you have the option of a delayed cbet on the turn if he checks again.

AP I think you can call in position. I don’t think his sets need to raise. So perhaps he has an overpair or AJ. We need to pickup some equity on the turn though.
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Old 09-01-2019, 09:41 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2: Flop decision w/ OESD

We're checking flop.

As played, call his X/R, since he's not gonna bet turn/river unimproved, according to your reads on him. We fold to a big turn-bet.
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Old 09-01-2019, 11:20 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2: Flop decision w/ OESD

Normally i would bet this flop at a dec frequency but i am snap checking this flop faster than lightning given his "rock grinder" description and the fact that he check-raises overpairs/TPTK on boards as the PFR

ap kick yourself and rip it in his face

jk just flat
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Old 09-01-2019, 11:22 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2: Flop decision w/ OESD

If you think he has AK in his 3 bet range I'm definitely barrelling this flop 1/2 pot, with BDFD to go with it. As played I'm calling, given good odds.
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Old 09-01-2019, 11:40 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2: Flop decision w/ OESD

I think I take a free card on the flop. With his propensity to check raise top pair and over pairs, I like a check.
As played, easy call.
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Old 09-02-2019, 11:34 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2: Flop decision w/ OESD

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Normally i would bet this flop at a dec frequency but i am snap checking this flop faster than lightning given his "rock grinder" description and the fact that he check-raises overpairs/TPTK on boards as the PFR

ap kick yourself and rip it in his face

jk just flat
For some reason I momentarily forgot about his c/r overpairs/TPTK and just focused on this being a pretty superb flop for me and thought I could take it down against a possible AK. But yes even not being results oriented I think this is a check.

But as to your "jk", this is what I am wondering about. So I did what most have said seems to be the standard play and just called. Turn paired the 5 and he jammed, so I folded.

But what about 3-bet jamming the flop?? He pretty much never has more than one pair here and he should think I have all the sets (9 combos) plus 45s (2 combos) and the ONLY real semi bluff I could seem to have is my actual holding of 67s (3 combos)... (I also suppose maybe a desparate A2s/A3s).

Does this type of rock want to stack off with one pair starting the hand 275 bbs effective? I'm not suggesting he's good enough to be doing all the combo work, but if he knows I'm at least competent, my 3 bet jamming the flop range with limited draws has to look super strong right?
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Old 09-02-2019, 12:16 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2: Flop decision w/ OESD

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I think you can check behind on the flop. It’s a rainbow so you have the option of a delayed cbet on the turn if he checks again.

AP I think you can call in position. I don’t think his sets need to raise. So perhaps he has an overpair or AJ. We need to pickup some equity on the turn though.
He says he rarely 3 bets. He's not min 3 betting pre with AJ. Sounds like AA, KK. I guess JJ is possible, but feels more doubtful given he doesn't 3 bet much.

I check behind flop and take my free card.

As played call. If you think you have some fold equity sure jam, but I doubt he check raised you to fold.
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Old 09-02-2019, 12:21 PM   #9
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Old 09-02-2019, 12:56 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2: Flop decision w/ OESD

I suspect the min 3-bet can "I have AJo. I know hero is really wide here. I don't like to put a lot of money in pre but I want to give the limpers a bad price so I can make this HU." As well as JJ+. Either way need to hit the straight outs.

The flop "oh look I hit tptk, time for my patented flop check/raise against the overly aggro kids!"

Given reads easy check back the flop.

Last session I played there was a villain that loved to raise or 3 pre with AK, AA, KK then check raise big with flopped top pair/overpair. The tagfish across from him fell for it multiple times. Don't be that guy. It's a weird line but it's plus EV when you bet/fold the combos you would've folded to a straight flop bet. Taking the free turn card is the obvious and best exploit for this behavior.
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Old 09-02-2019, 07:14 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2: Flop decision w/ OESD

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For some reason I momentarily forgot about his c/r overpairs/TPTK and just focused on this being a pretty superb flop for me and thought I could take it down against a possible AK. But yes even not being results oriented I think this is a check.

But as to your "jk", this is what I am wondering about. So I did what most have said seems to be the standard play and just called. Turn paired the 5 and he jammed, so I folded.

But what about 3-bet jamming the flop?? He pretty much never has more than one pair here and he should think I have all the sets (9 combos) plus 45s (2 combos) and the ONLY real semi bluff I could seem to have is my actual holding of 67s (3 combos)... (I also suppose maybe a desparate A2s/A3s).

Does this type of rock want to stack off with one pair starting the hand 275 bbs effective? I'm not suggesting he's good enough to be doing all the combo work, but if he knows I'm at least competent, my 3 bet jamming the flop range with limited draws has to look super strong right?
I would not give credit to any player at 1/2 or 1/3, without solid reads, to be able to fold AA/KK here. I wouldn’t assume the opponent is thinking, and I wouldn’t assume that they would be able to fold even if they thought we look strong. Also “strong” is quite relative, he might think we jam Jx or QQ/KK here
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