I'm in a big live 1-2 game effective stacks of ~ 800.

UTG+2 ($1100) is a big fish
Hero is HJ ($950) tight image
BTN Maniac ($1K), gets out of line at times. Good enough to recognize that Hero is tight
BB is tight passive ($300)

Big fish UTG+2 opens for $17
Hero calls with 7s5s
BTN Maniac makes it $45
BB Cold calls
UTG Flats
Hero Flats

Flop ($180) comes 5c Kd 7d.
BB leads out for 45, Big fish folds..I raise to 170. Maniac on the button raises to 370..i BB folds i think about it and hope he has AA, AK, or a flush draw..i flat...

turn ($965) comes 8s,
i check he bets 400( basically putting me all in)..
Hero????

First of all, fold pre...(like tons of people will mention it later, get ready)
Flop could be a fold... no reason for him reraise your big raise here without a set.... even maniac won't overplay ak in this way...

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Thanks for your input, Sam

Welcome to the forum, OP. I edited post to remove results and make it easier to read. Please take a look at the difference. You'll get much better responses when the post is easy to follow. Also, never post results, as it sways people's responses.

As far as advice, fold to the 3-bet. I know that you are very deep, but the only flops you'll like will be very hard to extract on. I don't hate the first call, given how deep you are, but the second is bad enough that I have to doubt if your image is really tight.

The main V (BTN) is described as a maniac early in the original version of the post, but the stuff that as at the end (that I moved to the descriptions) indicates to me more that he's LAGGY, but not a true maniac. If that is true, he'll have the goods most of the time when the pots get huge.

I don't think a competent player will make a small (compared to the pot) 3-bet with anything that middle-2-pair is good with. I fold to the re-raise.

Pre is fine with deep stacks and position against maniac

Edit: misread, and yes OOP to a 3 bet this is a whole other scenario and i would have folded pre.flop.

This deep i like to just call the flop though as i simply dont want to stackoff here 500 BB deep, even against a maniac type of player. Bottom two is just too weak of a hand to stackoff for me this deep.

As the stacks gets deeper our play should get more focused in on getting value from weaker hands, and not only balooning up the pot as fast as possible to get our entire stack in- unless we are pretty nutted.

Thanks for fixing the post, Garick. Also, thanks for the advice, it was a sure fold..I had been playing a 20 hour session and wasn't thinking right.
Thanks, Gilmour..the pot got bloated with bottom two..gotta think better next time.

No problem OP, i for sure know the feeling of not thinking clearly after long sessions.

In general i feel that this hand though illustrates many common mistakes players make when playing this deep: juicing up the pot unnecessarly with a strong but vulnerable hand and more often than not lose a gigantic pot to another player with the nutz.

If you just call on the flop here you can call down reasonable bets on reasonable board runouts and let 3 bettor valuetown himself with AK or AA, and you keep the loss to a minimum when you run into set of kings.

Original poster
1. 57s really bad but pretty hand fold pre
2. Have you noticed any signs of tilt in the past few hours or have all
Your reads been pretty sharp
3. ' maniac is Good enough to recognize hero is tight' makes me want to play ball
W my aa/ak read on villain also
Then the 'gets out of line at time'(both broad, vague statements) makes me say
Well, lags super lag maniacs get out of line as adherence to possible profitable strategy.
4. So like gil said no need to get crazy w bottom two pair, which is very
Dangerous hand
5. If you are truley new, what I quoted from gil(in general...the nuts) should be written down in your notes. No stone unturned

yeah deffo fold pre. if we had position on the 3bettor and were this deep call is ok but I don't like calling this sort of hand oop and I especially don't like it vs. a guy that is 3betting wider than supar premiumz. like what's our plan here? what do we hope happens? are we getting 500bb stax in when we flop 2p+? is he folding to our *semibulffs*? probably not eh?

as played ship flop i guess? unless you have a read that he doesn't get 100bb+ in light (this is a REALLy IMPORANT READ TO HAVE. DON'T ASSUME CRAZY PEOPLE GET CRAZY MONEY IN LIGHT.)

Yea thanks for the advice guys. Ive got to play better..got on a little losing steak of late..and this is my only source of income.

Grunch:
Questions for you, does villain makes it $45 PF with AA-KK or goes a bit more to discourage too many players from coming into the pot.

Even vs a conservative range of AA-KK, AKs, KTs+, set of 55 and 77 (very unlikely he has a set due to combos) we have about 2/3rds of the equity in the pot so I'm not folding here. We're playing 75ss to flop the kind of hand that we flopped so no need to shy away or think MUBs... Call and move on to the next hand.

Folding to the 3bet preflop is beyond terrible. You're getting over 5.5 to 1 on the immediate call and 30+ to 1 on the implied odds.

Folding to the open could be debated.

Flatting the flop could also be debated. Folding to maniac's 3-bet on the flop can also be debated.

75s is not a very good implied odds hand. It's very tough to talk me into being the first caller with it for 8.5bbs regardless of stack depth, and having a maniac on the button acting behind us makes it a pretty bad spot to call light.

As played, there is no way whatsoever I'm folding to the flop 3b. There are like 5 combos of better hands (only a very small exaggeration on my part), and villain is certainly the type to auto-raise with any kind of hand with outs. It's also entirely possible that villain doesn't want to give a cheap price in a multiway pot with AK/AA, but doesn't think he'll get value if he makes it any larger.

I just flat and get the money in on a clean turn since we're basically just racing with his range. Once the turn is a paintless spade, it's time to GII.

Thank, merra..yes i do think he would have raised larger pre with AA or KK..but i did get the flop i was looking for and saw it to the river. Just gotta move on like you said.
You made some good points everyday grinder, cheers
Surviva, i think 7 5 suited has larger implied odds.