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04-01-2016 , 02:46 PM
His folding is fine. We weren't getting anymore on the river unless he beat us on the river. I agree with the smaller bet on the turn, but the shove was fine.
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04-01-2016 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kansaisupra
I wanted to know what everyone's opinion was. And yes he folded
That's life, so he had the bottom of his range. Doesn't make the shove wrong.
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04-01-2016 , 03:33 PM
Thanks all appreciate the feed back
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04-02-2016 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh
That's life, so he had the bottom of his range. Doesn't make the shove wrong.
You can't blame OP for confirming that though. Playing bottom set can be a little tricky.
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04-02-2016 , 09:50 AM
I shove on the turn every time here. 3 reasons.
1) I think based on his line that he could easily have a variety of hands that will call. Normally this line means he has a pair and picked up a draw.
2) If a diamond hits the river and he shoves, hero could easily make a big mistake by folding if he doesn't have the flush
3) Shoving here stops people from using these confusing lines against you. Its almost always better to put pressure on other people and stop them from putting pressure on you.
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04-02-2016 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
If he puts us on QJ, then calling surely is the best play.

I guess its more just my style, I like to be underrepped when I have the literal near nuts

You really shoudnt be aiming to having "your style" of play: your playing style should be dictated by the table, and how to play in order to execute maximum exploitation. Aiming to be like water- fitting in everywhere.


Keep your own range as wide as possible (underrepping the strenght of your hand) can be a very useful and effective strategy adjustment, but it have to be used for the correct reasons.


Underepping your nutted hands just because its "your style of play" is not one of those reasons.
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04-02-2016 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I shove on the turn every time here. 3 reasons.
1) I think based on his line that he could easily have a variety of hands that will call. Normally this line means he has a pair and picked up a draw.
2) If a diamond hits the river and he shoves, hero could easily make a big mistake by folding if he doesn't have the flush
3) Shoving here stops people from using these confusing lines against you. Its almost always better to put pressure on other people and stop them from putting pressure on you.
This is weird form of MUBS.

1) It isn't normal for him to have a pair and a draw given the texture and action. He'd need [T K] PLUS another diamond. That's just not a big part of his range. Plus, this isn't a normal line anyway, so it's not normally anything. What Mr. Curious said is pretty close; it looks like a made hand that is worried about the new draw in addition to the flopped draw.

2) It's unlikely the dealer peels a non-pairing diamond, it's unlikely villain spazzes and shoves, and at that point the pot would be so big hero likely just CIOs. It's much, much more likely that if a diamond peels, villain has a dead hand and surrenders.

3) We don't care whether people use confusing lines. We don't care whether they "put pressure" on us. He donk-overbet the pot, so what? They can't put bad ideas in our heads; it doesn't work that way.

Per David Sklansky, the perfect strategy is a defensive strategy. We are willing to take the optimal line no matter whether other people are doing weird things. We should deviate from GTO ONLY if we are CONFIDENT it increases our EV.

Last edited by BadlyBeaten; 04-02-2016 at 12:09 PM.
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04-02-2016 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RAHZero
Minraise the turn.
Yes.
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04-02-2016 , 05:26 PM
raise pre
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04-02-2016 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten
This is weird form of MUBS.

1) It isn't normal for him to have a pair and a draw given the texture and action. He'd need [T K] PLUS another diamond. That's just not a big part of his range. Plus, this isn't a normal line anyway, so it's not normally anything. What Mr. Curious said is pretty close; it looks like a made hand that is worried about the new draw in addition to the flopped draw.

2) It's unlikely the dealer peels a non-pairing diamond, it's unlikely villain spazzes and shoves, and at that point the pot would be so big hero likely just CIOs. It's much, much more likely that if a diamond peels, villain has a dead hand and surrenders.

3) We don't care whether people use confusing lines. We don't care whether they "put pressure" on us. He donk-overbet the pot, so what? They can't put bad ideas in our heads; it doesn't work that way.

Per David Sklansky, the perfect strategy is a defensive strategy. We are willing to take the optimal line no matter whether other people are doing weird things. We should deviate from GTO ONLY if we are CONFIDENT it increases our EV.
I disagree with the majority of the advice you give and I am a pretty big winner in my games, so clearly there is more than one way to skin a cat.
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