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Old 09-02-2019, 11:14 AM   #1
Rm12488
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1/2 is fastplaying the wrong move here

1/2 500 eff

Hero new to table so no real reads

5 limps and hero makes it 15 on button with A5 offsuit

4 callers

Flop is 2 5 5 (two hearts)

Small blind donks 18 cutoff calls and I raise to 75. Small blind tank folds and cutoff 3 bets to 150.

Jam or call is my question
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Old 09-02-2019, 11:18 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 is fastplaying the wrong move here

Pre is really bad - sizing is way off and we should never play this hand in this scenario.

I'm raising the flop too, because it'll be a lot more difficult to get stacks in by the river if we don't, and like the sizing.

I'm just calling CO's 3 bet. We don't want to scare him off of a lower 5 or an OP.
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Old 09-02-2019, 01:01 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 is fastplaying the wrong move here

At tables like this I would just fold preflop. If everybody is being loose then you will make more money being tighter, you have no fold equity anyway seeing as 4 people called you OOP.

Personally, I would JAM, I just don't see me ever folding despite what runout comes. Sure maybe this leads him to fold 5J or something, but unlikely you can get much more money out of him anyway. By jamming perhaps you can get the table to respect your raises more, at this level he might even call hoping to hit an open ender.
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Old 09-02-2019, 01:45 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 is fastplaying the wrong move here

I debate pitching AJo in this spot pre. Sure as hell not playing A5o.
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Old 09-02-2019, 03:14 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 is fastplaying the wrong move here

Call the flop 3b.

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Personally, I would JAM, I just don't see me ever folding despite what runout comes. Sure maybe this leads him to fold 5J or something, but unlikely you can get much more money out of him anyway.
If we flat then he's probably going to bet the turn with J5.
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Old 09-03-2019, 12:26 AM   #6
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Re: 1/2 is fastplaying the wrong move here

Just rip it in, he cold min 3-bets after smooth calling the donk lead, that is basically announcing that he's never folding and you are never folding either, his hand looks very much like 5x and your hand is weighted very much towards overpairs
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Old 09-03-2019, 12:35 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2 is fastplaying the wrong move here

Never raising pre to that sizing. With 5 limps, you are going to get at least 3 callers if not the entire table. Then you are in terrible shape with kicker problems.

I like the raise on the flop. Sizing is a little large. Your hand is greatly disguised and a raise to $60 will keep in all draws and help GII with weaker 5x.

This raise looks to be only 22 and 5x. We are almost never seeing a draw here, so I would go ahead and either click it back or jam. The money is getting in either way.
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Old 09-03-2019, 02:16 AM   #8
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Re: 1/2 is fastplaying the wrong move here

Grunch; Whether or not you hold the Ah makes a difference here

After a few limps I like to raise as small as I can get away with, my intention is to ideally have not more than two callers. Sometimes $15 will fit the bill but if everyone likes to limp-call then I'd bump it up to $20 or so. If that's still not successful in thinning the field, the next adjustment would be tightening up my range a bit and A5o isn't making the cut.

Your flop raise is on the smaller side since there's already $75 in the pot. If hero has the Ah you block a lot of flush draws... a small raise is probably good so you're not blowing hands like 77/88 out of the pot. Without the Ah I may make it $100.

After the backraise from the cut-off, medium strength hands like pocket pairs are unlikely. This is also kind of a weird way to play a flush draw, I would think he wants a little more fold equity than a min-raise provides. I don't think jamming is terrible against some opponents but smooth calling seems better, giving villain another chance to value own himself. Getting it in on most turns. Villain can have boats sometimes after overlimping half the table then closing the action, but there are a lot more combos of 5x that he can play this way.
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