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09-12-2013 , 01:32 AM
V1 CO ~ 200
Hero Btn ~ 200
V2 BB ~ 100
V3 MP3 ~ 150

This was the 3rd hand of the session, I watched V1 3bet OOP twice with KK and then getting his stack in before I sat down, so he seems fairly tight. V2 I saw shove a river when he made the nuts and he proceeded to sing whilst waiting for a call. V3 is tight passive and loves calling down light.

Preflop:
2 limpers, V1 makes it 7, I flat the btn with 89, V2 and V3 flat. 1 limper folds.

Flop ($52): 869
V2 leads for 11. V3 flats and V1 makes it 44. Hero??

I feel like V2 is really strong here, this flop smashes a range filled with connectors and medium pairs. I think the other two villains are folding 99% of the time here. Given his raise size pre I eliminated all premium hands from his range. I put the following range:

99-88,66,T7s,97s-96s,86s,75s,QdJd,JdTd,Ad9d

into stove and we only have 35% equity, should I really be just folding top two? Or flatting on a wet board? Can a shove here be profitable? I widened V2's range to include offsuit connectors and we do better (47%), but I doubt he is raising offsuit connectors pre very often:

99-66, T7s, 96s+, 86s+, 75s+, QdJd, JdTd, Ad9d, T7o, 96o+, 86o+, 75o+

I feel like the best move might be 3betting V2 pre.
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09-12-2013 , 01:56 AM
the range you assigned him is too wide

a lot of the suited, connected type hands you have assigned are unlikely to be in his range because a lot of the time he will limp behind rather than raise. sometimes they certainly will, but i cant see him raising t7 or 96

however, judging by the range you gave, youre slightly ahead/way behind so folding has to be the best play

you dont think he could have tt or jj?
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09-12-2013 , 02:33 AM
No, I think he definitely makes it more with TT or JJ. Although if we give him those two we are basically flipping.

I ended up shoving and he snapped me off with 97o. If I included similar offsuit connectors then I think I can profitably shove here, the guy later turned out to be a lot LAGier than I thought and was pretty active the rest of the time. Even vs a LAG, I have a hard time assuming guys are building pots with hands like 97o.
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09-12-2013 , 08:20 AM
The $11 donk is a joke - you'll have to explain why you think this indicates strength - and the $44 "raise" is what he would probably bet without the donk and call in front. You've got top two in a pretty big pot on a wet board. Your range for villain is missing T9, T8, K9s-J9s, etc. (if you're going to include T7o, which is one of the worst, you have to include better gappers that hit this flop).
Especially because the stacks are short (main villain is the only concern), just reraise and commit.
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09-12-2013 , 10:35 AM
I must have not been clear, but I don't see the $11 donk as strong, it's very weak imo. I guess I was just giving villain too much credit in this spot.
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09-12-2013 , 10:41 AM
grunch: fold

just based on descriptions. i wouldn't blame you for calling or raising. and in game i may have trouble laying this down. even if he has the made straight you got outs. against most players and uknowns i probably call or raise since i'd include a lot of draws. against a guy you've only seen push with made hands i'd probably lay it down and hope this is one of the times that hand reading will actually make you feel like a good player.
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09-12-2013 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by calef13
V1 CO ~ 200
Hero Btn ~ 200
V2 BB ~ 100
V3 MP3 ~ 150

Preflop:
2 limpers, V1 makes it 7, I flat the btn with 89, V2 and V3 flat. 1 limper folds.

Flop ($52): 869
V2 leads for 11. V3 flats and V1 makes it 44. Hero??

I feel like V2 is really strong here, this flop smashes a range filled with connectors and medium pairs. I think the other two villains are folding 99% of the time here.
I'm so confused. V2 bets 11 into a pot of 52, and you think he's very strong; you think V1 is folding 99% of the time after putting in 1/4 of his stack?

This is a shove or fold spot for me. Cold calling the reraise is a disaster, because you're probably going to be at least 3-handed to the turn with no idea where you stand. There aren't many turn cards you like.

I have no problem with folding. In fact, I might lean that way.

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I feel like the best move might be 3betting V2 pre.
I believe your call is the standard play, but a 3-bet occasionally wouldn't be bad.
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