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1/2: Facing consistent donkbets from fishy V 1/2: Facing consistent donkbets from fishy V

08-09-2019 , 12:55 AM
History hand:
1/2 new table so no reads

V, UTG (500) limps, UTG1 (200) limps, Hero (500) $16 CO AKo, both call

Flop (50): AT7r
UTG donks 20, UTG1 folds, Hero calls

Turn (90): 7dd
V donks 25, H raises to 75, V calls

River (240): Qs
V donks 100, H calls

V shows T9ss, H wins

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Main hand #1 in next orbit

V (250 this time) limps UTG again, H $15 CO with KQo, BB unknown (200) calls, V calls

Flop (45): JJ4r
BB checks, V donks 20, H ???

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Main hand #2 in same orbit

1/2 UTG straddle 4, H $20 with red QQ in LJ, BTN (240, BB from above), same V in BB (300) calls, UTG straddler (200) calls

Flop (80): KJ6r
V donks 15, UTG calls, H calls, BTN calls

Turn (140): 6dd
V donks 25, UTG folds, H calls, BTN calls

River (215): 4x
V donks 50, H ???? (Really confused because BTN is also behind)
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08-09-2019 , 01:24 AM
QQ hand gotta snap him off. BU could have tons of hands that aren't necessarily Kx+ after overcalling 1/5 pot twice, and V has already proven himself to be completely clueless. We're getting great pot odds.

I'm okay with just calling him on flop/turn and seeing if he wants to put more money in nearly dead.

KQo hand is meh. You're 3-ways with BB to act behind you. I'd continue with BDFD but just mucking here is fine. We don't have to punish him every hand just because. We have many better hands than this to continue.
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08-09-2019 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
He probably has T9s and will donk call a turn pairing bottom pair that you can now raise since he’ll call and then snap off his 100 on a brick Q river. I mean, if these are you opponents, it doesn’t matter what line you take.
Done (quality joke)
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08-09-2019 , 01:51 AM
Fine.

Sometimes you see a player take a line and it’s just ON. You peg them as a dream spot and you just start deviating from your normal self and sink your teeth in. Often it’s just some dude throwing out an early game loss leader to activate everyone’s fish radar OR just a guy who is trying to win but is just terrible. Really though, when I see a line like the T9ss, man, it’s go time. So that said. Float KQ and play a turn (Ideally BB folds, but easy to range him if he overcalls after PFR from oop). QQ, I raise flop to something to squeeze out the middle guy and go from there. It’s ok to lose a spot or two as long as he doesn’t leave and continues to play in such a way. What happens a lot is the rest of the table just grabs some popcorn which is great news for us.
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08-09-2019 , 03:11 AM
He keeps doing it to me again and again.

5-handed, he limps CO ($350 stack), I (cover) $15 OTB T7hh, BB (weaktight rec $500) calls.

Flop ($45): K85hh
He donks $25, I flat, BB xfolds (I just raised his $10 turn bet to $45 when I binked a flush with T7dd on a QJ46dsdd board in a limped pot, he called.. river was a blank and he xfolded for $105, so I’m not sure if a raise would get him to fold here)

Turn ($95): 3d
He donks $50, wtf do I do?

This seems slightly stronger since he probe bets tinier with weaker hands as observed. And he doesn’t like to fold sometimes.

Last edited by momo_uk; 08-09-2019 at 03:17 AM.
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08-09-2019 , 03:13 AM
One more...

He limps EP, I iso $15 OTB As5d, nit BB and he call

Flop ($45): Q85cc
BB checks, he donks $15, I call, BB calls

Turn ($90): 8x
BB checks, he donks $40, I fold, BB folds
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08-09-2019 , 03:18 AM
Play better hands these are trash or just start raising.
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08-09-2019 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Play better hands these are trash or just start raising.


A5o yeah probably but you don’t iso this guy limp calling every hand with T7hh OTB?
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08-09-2019 , 04:59 AM
Id take a tighter hand selection and start firing away at least 2 streets, raising most times he donks into me. The paired flop one Id just let go but if I had an A with a likely over to his small pair/air or had a medium PP Id still barrel twice.

V's can get away with doing this against people who are too scared to raise with nothing and/or semi bluffs since we are going to miss the flop 66% of the time this is an easy way for a V to pick up pots cheaply or dictate his own price for his hand.
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08-09-2019 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
Id take a tighter hand selection and start firing away at least 2 streets, raising most times he donks into me. The paired flop one Id just let go but if I had an A with a likely over to his small pair/air or had a medium PP Id still barrel twice.

V's can get away with doing this against people who are too scared to raise with nothing and/or semi bluffs since we are going to miss the flop 66% of the time this is an easy way to pick up pots cheaply or dictate your own price for your hand.

Yeah the guy was consistently doing it 99% of the pots. He ended up busting ultimately but I couldn’t pick a big one against him.
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08-09-2019 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
Yeah the guy was consistently doing it 99% of the pots. He ended up busting ultimately but I couldn’t pick a big one against him.
Thats the strength of him playing this way. If you have to wait for a big hand hes probably going to pick up a pile of money before you see it. Once you finally get that big hand you're going to raise the first time and hes going to insta fold which is why you need to play back at him with air first. A flop float and a turn raise looks a lot stronger than raising flop + raising/betting turn btw, and risks less money.

What would the best LAG at your table do vs a player like this who keeps on donking into him? Hed go to war and triple barrel this guy with 2nd pair good kicker until he busted him.
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08-09-2019 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
Thats the strength of him playing this way. If you have to wait for a big hand hes probably going to pick up a pile of money before you see it. Once you finally get that big hand you're going to raise the first time and hes going to insta fold which is why you need to play back at him with air first.



What would the best LAG at your table do vs a player like this who keeps on donking into him? Hed go to war and triple barrel this guy with 2nd pair good kicker until he busted him.

Did you see the very first T9s hand (history hand)? He doesn’t like to fold to raises until river. Trying to bluff him seemed super expensive.
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08-09-2019 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
Did you see the very first T9s hand (history hand)? He doesn’t like to fold to raises until river. Trying to bluff him seemed super expensive.
If you are uncomfortable playing against a calling station with a very wide range just wait for hands and bomb away. Just because he played the first hand like that doesn't mean he can't readjust.
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08-09-2019 , 05:23 AM
T7s, A5s... these seem like easy overlimps against a guy like this.
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08-09-2019 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
If you are uncomfortable playing against a calling station with a very wide range just wait for hands and bomb away. Just because he played the first hand like that doesn't mean he can't readjust.

Is it mainly because he pressurizes postflop a lot? Because as far as I can see, T7hh and A5o are okay isos vs a 100% VPIP pre.
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08-09-2019 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
Is it mainly because he pressurizes postflop a lot? Because as far as I can see, T7hh and A5o are okay isos vs a 100% VPIP pre.
If villain is going to bet every flop they don't really work. Those hands don't hit the flop hard enough often enough when villain is going to bloat every pot. ISO raises with weak hands is a technique for weaker and/or more passive villains. Ones that will give you the initiative post flop and that you can bet/barrel off hands a lot.

With a play every hand/donk every hand villain your playing a weird sort of maniac. Your limping hands should be ones that are more likely to hit the flop hard, suited connectors and pairs your not raising. If stacks are deep open up your limping range a little in LP but not a whole lot. Because you won't ever get to see turn/river for free you need to only be playing strong draws.
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08-09-2019 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
If villain is going to bet every flop they don't really work. Those hands don't hit the flop hard enough often enough when villain is going to bloat every pot. ISO raises with weak hands is a technique for weaker and/or more passive villains. Ones that will give you the initiative post flop and that you can bet/barrel off hands a lot.



With a play every hand/donk every hand villain your playing a weird sort of maniac. Your limping hands should be ones that are more likely to hit the flop hard, suited connectors and pairs your not raising. If stacks are deep open up your limping range a little in LP but not a whole lot. Because you won't ever get to see turn/river for free you need to only be playing strong draws.

Yeah learn the hard way... not often do you get to play vs such a villain at 1/2... the guy would put me in very sticky spots with say the flush draw OTF/OTT.. on one hand, they’re standard calls, but on the other hand, I also know that I’m playing like a fit/fold fish vs his triple barrels which I’m not too proud of...
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08-09-2019 , 12:37 PM
You need to tighten up pre. He's basically telling you that he's happy to put in money whenever you want, so make sure you're putting yourself in spots that you're strong. Tighten up pre, and then just let him hand you money.
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08-09-2019 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
A5o yeah probably but you don’t iso this guy limp calling every hand with T7hh OTB?
The iso w T7hh is acceptable, but if I flop a FD against him it isn’t to just call down unless I’m certain I can stack him on hearts. Even if you just call 50, the math works if your T is good. A5 hand might be a calldown.
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08-09-2019 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
The iso w T7hh is acceptable, but if I flop a FD against him it isn’t to just call down unless I’m certain I can stack him on hearts. Even if you just call 50, the math works if your T is good. A5 hand might be a calldown.

Are you suggesting raising flop?
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08-10-2019 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
Are you suggesting raising flop?
It’s an option, sure.
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