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1/2 Enough SDV to check back river? 1/2 Enough SDV to check back river?

07-24-2017 , 03:01 PM
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V1 BB: He is the definition of a LAG. If he had a poker commandant it would have said "Thou shalt defend thine big blind". He is without a doubt a very good player in this game. He is also pretty sticky postflop, and doesn't fold that often. However, that being said, he is starting to play less aggressively, and less sticky against "me" because he perceives me being too tight. 275 to start

H: I've been playing pretty snug this session, and haven't really gotten out of line. 225 to start

Hero opens T 9 in MP to 10

Villain defends BB

21 Flop is A Q T

Villain chks I c-bet 15. Villain calls. Can arguably check back, but against someone who is sticky, let's get some value here.

51 Turn is 9

Villain chks. I c-bet 35 Villain calls. Pretty favorable turn

121 River is the A

Villain chks. Bad Bad river, do we have enough showdown value to check it back here, or do we need to bluff here? Villain is sticky, but I think he's going to fold most of his Queens, get him of the chop if he has a T. Or can check back here and be good against K X or J X . But I think he's playing his draws more aggressively?
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07-24-2017 , 03:56 PM
I'm probably just checking it back here. We beat busted flush draws, and some random K9/J9 straight draws that bricked out. Also, you'd be targeting a very narrow range of hands that have you beat, Qx hands, and K10 specifically. Obviously you're not folding out an A, and if this V is sticky you may even have trouble getting a Q to fold.
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07-24-2017 , 05:02 PM
I don't disagree, but I'll play devil's advocate.

Wouldn't it be more likely for villain to raise his combo draws (aka, the Kxhh or the Jxhh, and the K9/J9 straight draws on the flop or the turn, considering that he's a LAG, so the hands we beat, he's more likely to raise?
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07-24-2017 , 05:11 PM
Check back flop.

As played turn is good, maybe can size down a bit to not blow off his weak Ax and Qx.

As played check back river.
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07-24-2017 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ps21021
I don't disagree, but I'll play devil's advocate.

Wouldn't it be more likely for villain to raise his combo draws (aka, the Kxhh or the Jxhh, and the K9/J9 straight draws on the flop or the turn, considering that he's a LAG, so the hands we beat, he's more likely to raise?
Totally V dependent, even within the LAG player pool. Also OP said that the LAG V had been playing a bit more snug and straight forward against him specifically due to how tight OP has been playing. I'm not saying your assessment is wrong, just that it's really hard to come to a conclusion either way without being at the table.
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07-24-2017 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by branch0095
Totally V dependent, even within the LAG player pool. Also OP said that the LAG V had been playing a bit more snug and straight forward against him specifically due to how tight OP has been playing. I'm not saying your assessment is wrong, just that it's really hard to come to a conclusion either way without being at the table.
That's fair, from my experience playing against this villain, I felt that while it's not impossible we still win against Kx and Jx of hh, I felt like that he was more likely to raise these draws, than flat call esp OOP
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07-24-2017 , 06:55 PM
You are not getting value betting 3rd pair, check back flop, call any turn and evaluate river

Also flop sizing is way too big, $7-$10 would be fine
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07-25-2017 , 11:59 AM
Were you watching that ace come up on the River, or did your focus immediately go to your V when the dealer flipped it over?

Like you said: That was a bad river card for you & if you were focused on the card & your V was focused on you - well, see where I'm going with this?
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07-25-2017 , 12:17 PM
I can go either way. Would he just check/call an A on flop/turn? Most LAGs won't, even against tighter players. Seems he'd bet and/or raise a straight on turn.

I probably go ahead and bet. He has to be worried about an A vs. a tight pre-flop raiser, I doubt he has one, and I'd hate to lose to QX when he should fold those on river if he's "tightened up" against you.

Obviously, if there is any way he has an A, just check. He's never folding.

BTW, I'm betting that flop and I like your sizing.
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07-25-2017 , 03:15 PM
What on god's green earth is going on here with everyone saying to check back the flop? This is one of the easiest flop bets out there. We should be PSB this flop and this turn.

On river, your hand is counterfeited, you described V as sticky, and you're asking whether to try to bluff him. Does not compute.
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07-25-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND
On river, your hand is counterfeited, you described V as sticky, and you're asking whether to try to bluff him. Does not compute.
V has stopped playing as sticky vs. H, so it's a good bet.
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07-25-2017 , 05:15 PM
To bluff out what? Exactly KQ/QJ/Q9? Seems way too thin a range to target. Villain should never have KK/JJ here given preflop action, and he's not folding an Ace.
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07-25-2017 , 05:18 PM
It is so unlikely that he has an A. Very likely we do. He should be folding almost his entire range, including a queen. At the very best for him he has two pair, but I highly doubt it.
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07-25-2017 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND
What on god's green earth is going on here with everyone saying to check back the flop? This is one of the easiest flop bets out there. We should be PSB this flop and this turn.

On river, your hand is counterfeited, you described V as sticky, and you're asking whether to try to bluff him. Does not compute.
Just because we have equity against his full range doesn't mean we should be potting flop in any case, it's bad for our hand and doesn't make a tonne of sense for our range
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07-27-2017 , 01:32 AM
For closure.

Spoiler:
Against this villain in particular. I should slightly elaborate on my tightness while I'm playing tight in terms of opening ranges. I've still have been c-betting a lot on most flops and a relatively stickish villain, I have to bet even third pair for value, because I'm going to get called by High cards draws, or maybe some pocket pairs.While Villain is sticky on the flop due to my high-cbet percentage, he's going to be less sticky on turns and rivers due to my lower 2nd barrel/3rd barrel.

As played, I chked it back, and we chopped against JT. So Results oriented, I should have jammed it in his face. I don't think that there are that many bricked draws. I think he's probably more likely to raise them, I'm not sure myself really. I'm not so confident that we can completely eliminate aces. He could have some weak aces that he's not going to raise, say, A2-A5s. I don't think he's raising those aces? I don't think he's folding weak aces here, he's probably folding most to all queens, and all Tens. He's probably has all of the suited aces, we can elimenate most of AT+, as he'll 3-bet with them. Still, they're probably more combos of QT,KQ,QJ,Q9, and some JT,T9,KT's we can fold out. I don't think he has that many weak aces off-suit, as they run into more domination issues, and he's a competent player. But I'm not sure, if he shows up with A3o, then jamming here is terrible.





Last edited by Ps21021; 07-27-2017 at 01:41 AM.
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