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02-24-2016 , 06:51 PM
Villain in this hand is pretty unknown. it's my first time playing with him. From what i observe so far, villain is pretty abc, not too crazy but err to the side of loose passive. We both are pretty deep, eff stack is close to 800
So theres a straddle to 5, 4 callers, Hero has KQo on the sb, squeeze to 27, 2 callers. pot is 88

Flop: KQ9 - 2 clubs, i bet 50 into 88, mp folds, V on btn calls..

Turn: brick, i bet 106 into 188, V calls.

River is A non-club. Hero?

Total pot is 400, he kinda have about 350-380 left.
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02-24-2016 , 07:00 PM
Raise bigger preflop.

Given the described V, bet 200 OTR, and I don't like it, but I think you have to call it off. We bet because he is passive, and we can get value OTR, but I think we have to call it off if raised because stacks are too short.

Making a bigger raise preflop helps this hand play itself.
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02-24-2016 , 07:13 PM
This is $1/2, bet/calling off on river would be atrocious. You are betting to get called by the 7-10 combos of Axcc and maybe KJ, so size it appropriately to get called by these hands. A loose passive player has plenty of NFD that will cry call a small bet in relation to the pot.

I would bet/fold $150. You shouldn't be worried about being bluff raised when this board crushes your range. Keep it simple, it's 1/2 and just play the hand exploitably
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02-24-2016 , 07:29 PM
Preflop: Either checking or raising is good, but if you raise the raise should be larger. With 5 people already in the pot your (essentially) 5x raise runs the risk of having the straddle or EP call and then a raft of callers following behind because the pot is big. This is not what you want with KQ OOP. $35 or $40 are better amounts to raise.

Flop: As played, your bet is good, but I think going a shade larger is even better because the flop is coordinated and there are a lot of hands (like top pair) that will be just as willing to call $65 as they would $50.

Turn: Good.

River: It's unlikely the A helped your opponent enough to beat you, but it sucks because it is a potential scare card for the caller. Betting somewhere between what you bet on the turn and 1/2 pot is far more likely to be called than shoving for a near pot sized bet.

Just my opinion...
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02-24-2016 , 07:30 PM
Yeah I don't see any raising range that we beat. The A seems like a pretty good card actually in the off chance villain is calling down with AXcc. About 200 seems alright. And then snap folding to a jam.

If we think about the hands that are calling us down to the river, I think very few are AX two pair. AK/AQ may raise preflop and who knows if A9 and AQ makes it to the river. Unless he has a hand like JTcc that he is slowplaying, we're pretty far ahead.
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02-24-2016 , 07:30 PM
Pre is fine. I can't see a bet/fold here except against a loose/passive. Bet $150 and evaluate, but probably fold.
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02-24-2016 , 07:54 PM
c/c >>>>>>>>>>>>>b/c>> b/f OTR.
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02-24-2016 , 07:57 PM
I get what y'all are saying. I suppose you are right. Sigh, I just think about all the K9 and Q9 Vs love to play....
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02-24-2016 , 08:16 PM
45-55 pre if you're going to squeeze

flop $60

i like betting a bit bigger on turn to set up for easy river shove on brick rivers

as played, bet/fold $150ish imo
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02-24-2016 , 08:19 PM
If eff stack was 800, then he'd have more than 600 at the river.

Raise to 40 or 45 ish pre.
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02-24-2016 , 08:19 PM
Bet 200 for value. If he had straight you would have known about it on flop or turn. He would have to raise to protect against club draw. Villain may play a set that way but you have blockers to kings and queens. Value town all day.
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02-24-2016 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
I get what y'all are saying. I suppose you are right. Sigh, I just think about all the K9 and Q9 Vs love to play....
They're raising these before the river. They aren't raising these especially after an A comes. We also block both K9 and Q9.
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02-24-2016 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
c/c >>>>>>>>>>>>>b/c>> b/f OTR.
If this villain is abc and erring to the side of loose/passive, is he ever going to bluff this river? IMO he calls smallish value bets that he would otherwise check back.
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02-24-2016 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
If this villain is abc and erring to the side of loose/passive, is he ever going to bluff this river? IMO he calls smallish value bets that he would otherwise check back.
Exactly.
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02-25-2016 , 04:13 AM
Hey thanks guys for the response, as played I bet 125 on the river and he folded... We discussed the hand alil afterwards, he had a k...he did say he would bluff on the river if I check though..
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02-25-2016 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Raise bigger preflop.

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Making a bigger raise preflop helps this hand play itself.
He raised 14 big blinds into an unopened pot....
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02-25-2016 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish With Chips
He raised 14 big blinds into an unopened pot....
He raised 5.4 bigs in a straddled pot with 4 limpers AFTER the straddle.
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02-25-2016 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by whysocold
Hey thanks guys for the response, as played I bet 125 on the river and he folded... We discussed the hand alil afterwards, he had a k...he did say he would bluff on the river if I check though..
He is either lying to you or your read is wrong then. Check/calling river versus an ABC opponent is definitely the worst line, so I wouldn't over think him saying he would have turned his K into a bluff.

I like your line.
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