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1/2 dream flop misplayed? 1/2 dream flop misplayed?

12-27-2013 , 11:33 PM
1/3 at the wynn.

H: 800, maybe perceived as laggy (kept on getting/raising big hands pf, so it just looked like i was being laggy, but only showed down two hands so far: KK lost to all in pf against AK, and AK which won me my stack)
V: saw him limping with jacks in MP multiway, then raised a spazzy bet on 9 high flop to 4x in position. Does not slow play big hands, but can obviously tell when he has a scared hand.

Hand:
Limp limp.
H raises with 99 to 17 in HJ.
Button calls, V calls from UTG+1, a short stack station lady calls in MP

Flop (~$68)
934 rainbow.

V leads out for 40, i think he limped with an overpair again because the board is so dry and that was exactly how he played jacks. Basically he has to be donking out with something here. Plus, the last hand i was in, someone commented that i check raised with air (so i thought my image is really laggy right now).I want to get value from that image - my thought process is that its such a weird raise on a dry board that he would at least see a turn (in his previous hand he had shown that he cant slow down with over pairs unless overcards came) either with a made hand or a straight draw.

H raises to 100

Spoiler:
everyone folded. V goes like, oops you werent supposed to do that and insta mucks. Should i have smoothed?
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12-27-2013 , 11:43 PM
V's stacksize?
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12-27-2013 , 11:45 PM
I would call flop and make it look like you're floating with overcards. If he's the spaz type, then you gotta give him a chance to spaz.
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12-27-2013 , 11:57 PM
No it's the right play.

Definitely have to raise your set here. Unfortunate they didn't call.

Check out my hand I'm about to post about 55 OTB.
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12-28-2013 , 12:02 AM
Calling is fine on such a dry flop. Hopefully villain fires again on the turn and then you blast em.
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12-28-2013 , 01:47 AM
Just flat.Hopefully he hits an overcard if he cbet with ak etc
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12-28-2013 , 02:30 AM
Why are we raising 99 at 1/2? I've always considered that set mine material.
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12-28-2013 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGoodman
Why are we raising 99 at 1/2? I've always considered that set mine material.
Limping is weak/passive plus we are in the HJ.We can rep face cards when checked to and get value on good boards against a lower pair.

Just realize being in position is the most important thing here.As long as we dont get careless and are able to fold,its not a bad play at all.
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12-28-2013 , 02:52 AM
My instinct is so biased by the results.
Even though I dont want it to be.

If I was thinking clearly, I would realize that his best draw has 8 outs. And he priced him self out. So I've no reason to raise. That's the same amount i would bet IP.

So flat, and bet all checked turns / raise all donkeys turns if they are not large enough.
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12-28-2013 , 02:55 AM
Eff stacks??? Unless you are super deep flatting is the optimal play here.
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12-28-2013 , 02:59 AM
There are no real draws villain could have here other than the unlikely 65. Flat. By raising you turn your hand face up as 99+, and even if villain had TT, JJ he may find a fold as his hand is crushed by your value range
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12-28-2013 , 03:41 AM
Flatting with top set on a dry board is pretty much the best play. What are you scared of? Let him hang himself an wait until the turn. Also do you cover the V?
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12-28-2013 , 04:05 AM
misplayed

why you no give 77 chance to hit set?

77 fold now, you scare him away.
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12-28-2013 , 04:40 AM
Just flat IP. TP/overpairs are gonna put more in on the turn/river no matter what and this way you keep random spazzy bluffs in play.
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12-28-2013 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGoodman
Why are we raising 99 at 1/2? I've always considered that set mine material.
Because they all folded...
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12-28-2013 , 08:26 AM
Sorry! Forgot to mention eff stack ~400.. was kinda praying to the poker gods that he flopped 2p or a set there...
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12-28-2013 , 08:29 AM
Ok so i think i had MUBS. Thought if he had an overpair (tt/jj) or a straight draw then a ****load of cards are gunna slow me down ott.

Also i didnt want to flat to give him a free card. At just 2.5x the raise i really thought he would at least call.

Would you guys say generally to max value on a dry flop with a set is to call?
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12-28-2013 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
Ok so i think i had MUBS. Thought if he had an overpair (tt/jj) or a straight draw then a ****load of cards are gunna slow me down ott.

Also i didnt want to flat to give him a free card. At just 2.5x the raise i really thought he would at least call.

Would you guys say generally to max value on a dry flop with a set is to call?
Generally with such a dry board and if hero as a tight image- i prefer a flat call here, giving our V a good chance to put mor money into the pot on the turn.

BUT, in this case i think you played it fine because of the laggy/bluffy image described. I believe its the perfect time to take advantage of that bluffy image, and raise this flop. OK,it didnt work out perfectly this particular time, but that doesent neccesarly mean it was the wrong play.
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12-28-2013 , 09:37 AM
I like the raise, stacks are deep enough where you have a raise folding range given image.

He probably spaz ships the top end of his range 1010+ and calls w draws and some 9x given small raise. We can then ship turn for just over pot on low cards and bet small on broadways. If we call I think we get owned when his draw gets there and v will give up barrelling with a lot of his range on most turns.
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12-28-2013 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
Ok so i think i had MUBS. Thought if he had an overpair (tt/jj) or a straight draw then a ****load of cards are gunna slow me down ott.

Also i didnt want to flat to give him a free card. At just 2.5x the raise i really thought he would at least call.

Would you guys say generally to max value on a dry flop with a set is to call?
Not sets 22-99. Anything TT+ yes.
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