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Old 02-15-2014, 08:15 PM   #1
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1/2 Double barrel?

Hey guys!

Hero(250) Young white kid, has been playing aggresively has not shown down many hands, could potentially be viewed as LAG.

V2(300/CO) old reggy guy, tight passive and not very memorable, pretty straight forward.

V1(60/UTG+1) seems to be tight preflop and gets aggressive post flop. seems to be unaware of stack depth/pot size. loves to bomb his made hands. I've been able to steal a few pots from him VIA c/r flop and float/bet turn.

Hero in BB with 4s5d

3limps
Hero checks

Flop(8) 3s6sJh

Hero leads for 10
V1 calls
V2 calls

Turn: 3s6sJhQd

Pot(38)

Hero?

Comments on any/all streets encourage.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:32 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

Pre and flop is standard. That flop misses a lot of tight players ranges. On turn I lead pot for $40 and give up on river. I think They have Qxss, QJ, and sets a lot to call $40 on turn. Great turn to barrel
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:44 PM   #3
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Pre and flop is standard. That flop misses a lot of tight players ranges. On turn I lead pot for $40 and give up on river. I think They have Qxss, QJ, and sets a lot to call $40 on turn. Great turn to barrel

Agree, except I bet around 30, but same idea.

And I still might fire on the river if flush doesn't get there....
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:50 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

V1 only has 50 left, so how often is he folding turn? Does he chase draws a lot? Will he fold a Jx OTR if you bet 20 OTT and get HU with him? I think I don't put in more than 20-25 OTT. Leaves room to bluff river against what is quite obviously a drooler playing with 30bb. If V1 ships it's a fold and you lose the minimum. And if they both call you obviously have to shut down river if you miss, unless you have a sick read on them.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:53 PM   #5
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Oops, I definitely missed stack sizes on this one...
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:55 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

bet-folding 20-30 ott.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:58 PM   #7
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x/r > leading
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:09 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

i dont like your flop bet , pretty drawy board and we are repping nothing in a limped pot. you cant confidently get it in without a non spade 2/7 peeling and villains are calling 5bb in a 4bb pot pretty much screaming they connected in some way , wether it be flushdraw or tp. You are repping Jx , maybe two pair, and any 2pair that is facing a 2nd barrel is going to confidently raise you, or even just a naked Q .. youre putting yourself in a bad , expensive spot with 34o OOP , for no reason , trying to steal a 4bb pot , and now a 2nd barrel and we are in 16bb with 34o , hoping for a non spade 2/7.. bleh, just check
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:12 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

even if you hit your straight on the turn, you have to come out firing , villains can just call behind with a redraw , or simply fold, what do you do when 9 , k , or any spade hits the river.. now you check your straight? whats your plan on getting value out of this 34o straight .. i dont like it.
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Old 02-16-2014, 12:57 AM   #10
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

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x/r > leading
No way. One of the V's is tight/passive, too much risk it checks around we miss value.
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Old 02-17-2014, 04:14 PM   #11
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i dont like your flop bet , pretty drawy board and we are repping nothing in a limped pot. you cant confidently get it in without a non spade 2/7 peeling and villains are calling 5bb in a 4bb pot pretty much screaming they connected in some way , wether it be flushdraw or tp. You are repping Jx , maybe two pair, and any 2pair that is facing a 2nd barrel is going to confidently raise you, or even just a naked Q .. youre putting yourself in a bad , expensive spot with 34o OOP , for no reason , trying to steal a 4bb pot , and now a 2nd barrel and we are in 16bb with 34o , hoping for a non spade 2/7.. bleh, just check
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even if you hit your straight on the turn, you have to come out firing , villains can just call behind with a redraw , or simply fold, what do you do when 9 , k , or any spade hits the river.. now you check your straight? whats your plan on getting value out of this 34o straight .. i dont like it.
Guys its not 34o and even if it was its irrelevant. It's a moderately well disguised OEST with 6 outs to the nuts and 2 more to a fairly strong hand. Also it isnt a very drawy board its pretty dry.The line your suggesting isn't bad but the reasoning is strange. I like to play this similar to Hero tho but I do think betting 10 is excessive and counterproductive. Betting 5 works fine, you don't mind folds or calls, folds = free money, calls = good pot odds. 5 sets up12-15 into 23 OTT and we will often get folds when the over arrives.
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Old 02-17-2014, 04:22 PM   #12
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

I wouldnt have bet 10 otf. 6-5 works just fine.
Turn is a good spot to double barrel $15 is perfect if you had bet 6-5 otf.

Most Rivers is a tripple barrel
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:36 AM   #13
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^We obv agree on flop and turn play but how many rivers can you really triple barrel? You are usually only folding out FDs if river is a 2x-Tx don't you think? Maybe you could bet like 20-25 on the river against one caller if you want to fold out the FDs cuz I'm not sure we can fold his pairs at this point. Hm
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:23 AM   #14
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

Never firing the 2nd barrel here.

You can check/call.

Hit your straight.

Then open shove all in or bet pot and they'll call.

or

If you get bet out of the pot..that's fine to...we don't need to win hands like this oop to crush 1/2.
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:26 AM   #15
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

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I wouldnt have bet 10 otf. 6-5 works just fine.
Turn is a good spot to double barrel $15 is perfect if you had bet 6-5 otf.

Most Rivers is a tripple barrel
I triple barreled perhaps 5 times in all of 2013 at 1/2.

It's mostly spew.

Learn to preserve win rate by giving up.

The fish aren't folding once they call 2 streets.
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:51 AM   #16
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25 OTF, call if shortstack shoves.

Never triple barreling river unless we hit one of our draws.

Checking turn is bad imo.
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Old 02-18-2014, 12:57 PM   #17
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

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^We obv agree on flop and turn play but how many rivers can you really triple barrel? You are usually only folding out FDs if river is a 2x-Tx don't you think? Maybe you could bet like 20-25 on the river against one caller if you want to fold out the FDs cuz I'm not sure we can fold his pairs at this point. Hm
Definitely triple barreling any Q K or A that doesnt complete the flush.
2- T is debatable, depending on villian, id might fire offsuit 8,9,T and give up on 2-7 unless it makes our straight
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Old 02-18-2014, 12:58 PM   #18
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Re: 1/2 Double barrel?

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I triple barreled perhaps 5 times in all of 2013 at 1/2.

It's mostly spew.

Learn to preserve win rate by giving up.

The fish aren't folding once they call 2 streets.
Sometimes when their range is wide enough to the river a third barrel is your best play. Villians range on the river is rarely nutted and is comprised of a ton of missed draws and weak pairs. This is one of those situations where ill blast off
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