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05-14-2010 , 02:34 AM
I was playing live at 200 NL $1/$2 blinds. (9 handed)

I had about $220, and the other guy about $280. We had just combined tables as it had been late in the night, so I had played maybe 4-5 hands w/ him and didn't notice anything good or bad about him either way.

Preflop: UTG limps. Villain raises UTG+2 to $10, Hero raises to $50 w/ QQ, UTG folds, Villain re-raises to $110, Hero pushes all-in.

Usually I can get an idea how to play QQ's preflop depending on reads or if I'm against a deep stack but I had no idea what was best one way or another. Is pushing QQ's PF to a typical unknown at this level ok? I know that there is alot of types of players villain could be, but was just wondering what most of you would do.
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05-14-2010 , 02:37 AM
Sorry...wrong forum. Need to move it to full ring but don't know how?
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05-14-2010 , 03:21 AM
I have yet to seen QQ get all in preflop vs a worse hand live, when it is 2 non-maniacs (even though they could both be terrible).
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05-14-2010 , 06:27 AM
you reraised too much, 30 is plenty.
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05-14-2010 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by guids
I have yet to seen QQ get all in preflop vs a worse hand live, when it is 2 non-maniacs (even though they could both be terrible).
+1

I would fold. 4bet in this situation is almost always KK or AA.
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05-14-2010 , 07:20 AM
His re-raise is bad news. Fold your hand and look for better oppritunities.

He could be bluffing, trying to bully the table, lots of that at low limits, but on the other hand...........
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05-14-2010 , 02:14 PM
How do we feel in this situation if we have KK instead of QQ though?
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05-14-2010 , 02:19 PM
Your 3bet pre is way too much. $30 would be better.
As played, against an unknown or standard player, I am folding.
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05-14-2010 , 02:52 PM
I think if we had KK its stiill a fold QQ especially at this level its almost always AA or KK. Against an unknown it really depends with no reads I think its a fold for sure.
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05-14-2010 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie
Usually I can get an idea how to play QQ's preflop depending on reads or if I'm against a deep stack but I had no idea what was best one way or another. Is pushing QQ's PF to a typical unknown at this level ok? I know that there is alot of types of players villain could be, but was just wondering what most of you would do.
Nah with the action you describe its an easy fold versus an unknown. PFAI for 100BB with TT-QQ at sslnl really needs to be based on a history with the player.
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05-14-2010 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by blaze6980
I think if we had KK its stiill a fold QQ especially at this level its almost always AA or KK. Against an unknown it really depends with no reads I think its a fold for sure.
KK is a snap call. Villains can sometimes take this line with QQ+ and you are already getting good odds on a call. QQ is the border because against a range of QQ+ (live players will never ship with AK pre) you are dominated.
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05-15-2010 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by s.boxer
KK is a snap call. Villains can sometimes take this line with QQ+ and you are already getting good odds on a call. QQ is the border because against a range of QQ+ (live players will never ship with AK pre) .
They do in my games, all my low limit games for anyway from 40BB up to 100BB usually. Not much higher then that usually... There are a number of villians that wont get AK in for higher then 100BB against me, but they are a minority...

I think this is a fold after he pretty much minraises your 50. If you are against
villians you would raise then fold a hand with, such as these, it make around 30 or 35. I will make it higher If I am against villians that are willing to call my raise with all hands they open with in their wide ranges...
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05-15-2010 , 09:01 AM
Clear fold on 4-bet.

Personally, I prefer 3-betting to $25-$30. This usually keeps AQ, JJ and TT in the hand and makes folding against a 4-bet cheaper.

As for KK: insta-shove against unknowns. Against regulars it's more interesting. I pay a lot of attention to preflop betting patterns with QQ and - slightly less so - AK and JJ for regulars. There is a quite a few (including myself) that only 4-bet with KK+. Against these regulars, I fold KK facing a 4-bet.
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05-15-2010 , 01:17 PM
Fold to the 4-bet. His 4-bet size indicates that he wants action. AA or KK a lot IMO
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05-15-2010 , 01:53 PM
Make 3 bet size smaller ($30-$35), and against an unknown you have to grit your teeth and fold. In my experience most 1-2 live players will only 4-bet KK/AA and maybe QQ. Unless you have a read otherwise this is a fold unfortunately. It sucks getting such a strong hand and having to fold, but your bankroll will appreciate it.
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05-16-2010 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by guids
I have yet to seen QQ get all in preflop vs a worse hand live, when it is 2 non-maniacs (even though they could both be terrible).
I have. but it was at a really weak home game...I'm pretty sure with solid people getting QQ in preflop would be bad...
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05-16-2010 , 12:48 AM
What if UTG raised? That is, one of the big warning signs here is the limp/reraise, right?

But what if the action goes UTG limps, UTG+1 raises to $10, hero raises to $50, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $110? And, what if UTG+1 ships?

I think it is much easier to fold in the case of the two raises, but I probably call the ship (the second of the scenarios I'm proposing).
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