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06-26-2016 , 11:53 PM

pk8914

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Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 30

villain is the only solid player at the table with 1500 in chips( bought in for 200) .

Hero is winning player with TAG image. (1200 in chips)

Rest of ppl has avarage 150 in chips

couple limpers folds after villian riase to 20 from SB

Hero pick up AQo from BB just callS

flop T Ts 6s

Villain check call hero 25 flop bet

Turn Ah

vILLAIN donks 65
Hero just call

RIVER
Qc

V bets 125
H calls

he mucks his hand and start to criticize me for making a dokey call here

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06-27-2016 , 12:05 AM

QuantumSurfer

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,987

You mean to say some limpers folded out of turn pf?

OTF, I'd just check back. It's a dry board & a competent player will float wide, especially as deep stacked as you guys are. As played, he's repping AK, maybe AT, though that should continue baiting you OTT instead of leading out. I'm ok w/ calling ~1/2 pot here.

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06-27-2016 , 12:20 AM

duh

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,741

looks good to me. I usually check back flop unless I expect to get called by Ax or Kx often.

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06-27-2016 , 12:41 AM

quemado

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 264

Villain would really appreciate you playing the way he thinks you should. Well played imo.

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06-27-2016 , 12:50 AM

Keaton

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 478

Never folding this river.

I also don't like the flop bet, but it ended up working out in our favor. Everything else is good.

Villain is the one who misplayed this. No reason for a pre-flop raiser with a 10 to check this flop, they will c-bet. His "story" doesn't add up and you have a big hand. Snap call.

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06-27-2016 , 02:40 AM

pk8914

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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer

OTR I am thinking to myself, I am beating.Ax-Ak, middle pairs -jacks and bluffs.
Villain said he just reping a T, not any of hands I mentioned above. He wouldn't bet if he does have hands like those.

If I was villain, I would make defensive/value bet around 100-125 with Ax-Ak because I can easily get value from Qx middle pairs . JJ KK Any thoughts?
If I am bluffing, I would make it around 200-250. 125 just not enough.

Any thoughts?????

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06-27-2016 , 02:42 AM

pk8914

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I think he just don't like the call try to make me feel bad. Or my thinking process really has a leak . Pls let me know.thank you

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06-27-2016 , 02:50 AM

pk8914

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Originally Posted by Keaton

I am expecting a call from flop bet because I understand for dry aboard like this is hard get ppl off the hand. It's my intention to check the turn if I misses, reraise the river if he bets. I know for aboard like this neither one of us will put each other on T. So aggression really comes in play, especially when we both are deep stack and I am in position plus my image. Thoughts???????????

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06-27-2016 , 08:08 AM

Jamitontheriver

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Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,137

This is pretty standard, although as others have noted you don't need to bet the flop. You are never getting better to fold. Still, bet flop/check turn on a blank is a fine line to take if you don't hit a ace or queen.

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06-27-2016 , 08:34 AM

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BackDoorFlush

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Check flop. Rest of hand is standard. If V mucks, do not show your hand.

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06-27-2016 , 08:59 AM

#11

PFunkaliscious

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So he showed you AK before mucking?

He is just venting. None of those calls were donkey calls

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06-27-2016 , 09:07 AM

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Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,135

Nope. Decent hand. I would not bet the flop though. I would call both the turn/river.

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06-27-2016 , 09:53 AM

#13

DormantShark

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 204

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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush

Check flop. Rest of hand is standard. If V mucks, do not show your hand.

Just a quick note to hero - if you call V's bet otr, even if he insta-mucks, some rooms have a "two cards to win policy". If you muck too without showing, some places may chop the pot because you both "have the board". Make sure you know your rooms rules before you muck too and lose a pot that should be yours

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06-27-2016 , 10:53 AM

#14

BadlyBeaten

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Originally Posted by pk8914

he mucks his hand and start to criticize me for making a dokey call here

You can tell by this that he is not an excellent player. So don't worry about whether he is advising you about your play.

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06-27-2016 , 11:43 AM

#15

Dubey

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I wouldn't mind a smallish raise/fold on the river to like $300. V is going to have AK/AJ a lot here and will have a tough time folding if you give him a good price. As long as we don't think he is a sicko who could put in another raise as a bluff.

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06-27-2016 , 11:45 AM

#16

spikeraw22

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 8,741

S4 beat me to it. I kinda want to raise river and get called by Ax. Easy fold to a raise which shouldn't ever be a bluff.

I actually love it when people get mad at my donkey play. Usually they don't know what they're talking about and will tell me how they think. Also it tells me they're emotionally unstable and incapable of thinking in any way other than their own habitual way.

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06-27-2016 , 12:13 PM

#17

donkatruck

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Originally Posted by pk8914

villain is the only solid player at the table with 1500 in chips( bought in for 200) .

Hero is winning player with TAG image. (1200 in chips)

Rest of ppl has avarage 150 in chips

Maybe I'm just too nitty, but as described, I think it's a good time to consolidate winnings and table change or if you are near end of session anyway, just go home. You have position on V, so thats good, but when I find myself in these spots, having to play two different games (one against deep competent V, another against short random donks), it seems to get me bleeding chips to the shorties or in difficult spots with the V. One exception was where we were 500bb deep and I stacked a very competent LAG with KK vs. TT on a KTx flop.

As played, I think you did fine. Nice pot but not going crazy 600bb deep with a strong but relatively vulnerable hand.

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06-27-2016 , 01:03 PM

#18

BadlyBeaten

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Originally Posted by Dubey

I wouldn't mind a smallish raise/fold on the river to like $300.

Yeah, berating you for calling is a donkey's way of saying, "I'm glad you didn't raise."

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06-28-2016 , 12:08 AM

#19

QuantumSurfer

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,987

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Originally Posted by pk8914

F*** what V said. He's mad he lost the hand & like most people simply trying to rationalize his misplay. While I try to stay humble, I've done the same myself. Anyways, which street are you saying you'd make it 100-125 with?

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06-29-2016 , 03:23 PM

#20

pk8914

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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer

On the river. V said he wouldn't bet if he doesn't have T. What I am asking is should he still bet on the river if he does have Ax?

1) Yes, I would make a 100-125 defensive/ value bet. I think I can get value from middle pairs and QJ QK Q9 ect. Even Ax with small kicker depending on my kicker.
If I get raised ,simply fold. I don't think there is a lot bluff raise at this point.

2) no, i would just check here, I could induce bluff here. Simply calling any bets with Ax

Which one do you guys think?

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06-29-2016 , 05:36 PM

#21

Pony_law

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 242

Did you consider 3 betting him Pre flop? Your description of villain doesn't give a lot of info on his pre flop play but plenty of players try and get cute against limpers they are not afraid of.

As played villain is full of it. What 10 does he have in his SB pre-flop 10BB raise range. He is against shallow opponents out of position seems like all J10 Q10 hads 109 hands would raise smaller to me.

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06-29-2016 , 06:44 PM

#22

maximilian

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 11

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V bets 125
H calls

he mucks his hand and start to criticize me for making a dokey call here

You called. You could have made him show first.

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06-29-2016 , 10:29 PM

#23

BadlyBeaten

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Um, if villain shows his hand, then hero must show to win.

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06-29-2016 , 10:35 PM

#24

QuantumSurfer

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,987

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Originally Posted by pk8914

Whether to bet river is player dependent. Say you're playing someone passive who's shown to have poor showdown value. $125 might get a call from an Ax or PP if they're extra fishy, & we know those hands wouldn't bet often. If you have solid reads that suggest V will call wide, then bet. If not, just check/call AQ if you were sb. Also, being as deep stacked as you are, leading river for $125 would give you plenty of room to exit when playing someone we think will call w/ worse.

Also, apparently V would bet if he didn't have a T

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07-01-2016 , 12:00 PM

#25

de4df1sh

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Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 6,893

Over the last 400 hours ta 1/3 I have experienced 2 separate 800bb downers and am currently at 5bb/hr.

thoughts?

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