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08-18-2018 , 12:20 AM
Relavent P/Stack
K7Hero(BTN) $5 Straddle, $200
BB $350
UTG $180
MP $400
HJ $220

About 1 hour into the Friday game. I've played with the BB before, very thinking player. I've seen him 4-bet a player and showdown A4s and taking it down with a pair of 4s over AKs.

BB opens to $15
UTG calls
MP calls
HJ calls
Hero calls
5 players, Pot $75
Flop: 638
BB Bets $55
Utg calls
HJ folds
Hero Shoves $175

Now here I think the BB has missed and wants to cbet with AK,AQ,AJ and overpairs, he could also do this with A6, A3, A8. But I think all of those would fold to a shove, except maybe A8. Because i'm the straddle in this hand and letting me have such great odds I have more sets and 2 pair combos than he does. He can obviously have sets himself but I think 88, and 66 are the most likely. Id love to know you input in what you think the V range is here and lmk what you think of the bluff and i'll let you know how it ended up lol.
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08-18-2018 , 12:25 AM
Fold pre.AP fold flop. Chill out on the bluffing bro. Your equity isn't that great and that is a ridiculously sizing

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08-18-2018 , 12:38 AM
4! With A4s. How did the rest of the hand play out? If it was checked on the flop and turn, and only called a river bet, it's possible that he finds a fold.

I think you need to generally have better than one over and a backdoor straight draw to bluff here. It's easy for them to consider that you are open ended, and they are ahead of 97.

Maybe it worked? Maybe they called and you caught? I'd rather just fold this preflop.
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08-18-2018 , 01:05 AM
Username is accurate. Wtf are you doing in this hand pre and post? Fold both times and don’t straddle on a $200 stack. V should be calling with pretty much any pair and sometimes AJ+
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08-18-2018 , 01:13 AM
AP bluff got threw V both said they had a pair of 6s A6, K6.
and the A4! he cbet 1/3 pot on 4J2R and they checked it down after that
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08-18-2018 , 01:17 AM
I don't usually straddle although i did because I was the SB on the button so i figured id straddle. I dont see how the call PF is so bad given that I can do this on the flop if it doesn't really hit anyone.
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08-18-2018 , 03:15 AM
I don't think this play will work often enough to be profitable. I think you're going to get looked up by overpairs here a lot, and sets whenever your opponent has them.

Would you ever jam with a value hand on this board?
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08-18-2018 , 06:16 AM
No. It's hard for either player to fold getting that price. (3-1) Also, don't post results so quickly, if you would like some real discussion of the hand.
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08-18-2018 , 06:31 AM
We have better hands to bluff with here. Here are some hands I would prefer to make the play with:
97hh 97cc 97dd
75hh 75cc 75dd
45hh 45cc 45dd
A3hh A3cc
9Thh 9Tcc 9Thh



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08-18-2018 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ipuntstax
I dont see how the call PF is so bad given that I can do this on the flop if it doesn't really hit anyone.
So the reason straddle is good is bc you can turn your hand in to an out of position bluff in a pot vs over half the table?
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08-18-2018 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sisyphusonroids
So the reason straddle is good is bc you can turn your hand in to an out of position bluff in a pot vs over half the table?
I'm on the BTN... how am I out of position.
And yes i would do this with value hands all of my sets and 2pairs and that's about it.
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08-18-2018 , 12:43 PM
I can get down with calling pre. We are getting great odds and are in position.

Anything past that is straight spew. You're simply choosing a random hand to bluff with no methodology. There are a ton of better hands to bluff here with than yours.
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08-18-2018 , 03:18 PM
Guy C bet $55 into 4 players that called $15 pre in a 1/2 game. Fold flop
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08-18-2018 , 03:30 PM
Does anyone else think we really shouldn't have a raising range on this board?

There aren't many reasonable two pairs except 86s, and even when we have sets it seems better to flat with only a PSB left to me.
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08-18-2018 , 03:52 PM
Straddling is spewy. Preflop call is spew. Flop is spew. Villain only needs what? 26% equity to call? And at the same time has to defend nearly 60% of his range..
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08-18-2018 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ModBoy
Does anyone else think we really shouldn't have a raising range on this board?

There aren't many reasonable two pairs except 86s, and even when we have sets it seems better to flat with only a PSB left to me.
Would you possibly want to raise hands like 99/TT/JJ for value/protection? Possibly balance w some decent equity bluffs like.. idk...98s/T9s?
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08-18-2018 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sisyphusonroids
Would you possibly want to raise hands like 99/TT/JJ for value/protection? Possibly balance w some decent equity bluffs like.. idk...98s/T9s?
Those hands are getting towards a 3bet pre I think I 3bet jj 100% here and 99 and TT some portion of the time as well.

I think I would just raise sets and the OESDs with bdfd. I’m curious as to why the poster suggests a3 as a plausible bluff raise candidate?

Also can someone go through the math of how to balance a raising range here. What are the calculations to decide what percent bluff and value we want to have? To determine if that range I gave is balanced or overbluffy or overvaluey?
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08-18-2018 , 04:18 PM
Awful hand to bluff with
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08-18-2018 , 10:27 PM
Troll?

Fold pre, fold flop, rack up and go home. This loses more money than a slot machine.
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08-18-2018 , 11:34 PM
Fold, fold, fold, fold, and fold....

Don't straddle with such a short stack. Honestly I don't mind calling the small PF raise and defending your straddle getting a great price, but I'm not putting a dollar into the pot OTF.

Another big problem with your flop jam (besides having almost no equity) is that even if you think the BB is c-betting overcards, UTG called in between. This board is pretty dry, and UTG almost always has at least a pair. You're now jamming into 2 opponents for only $120 more and giving both 3/1 on a call. Honestly I think it's total spew.
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08-19-2018 , 04:03 PM
Looks like you button clicked AI because few hands should be calling. No plan really, and not a line that makes sense. Spew.
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08-19-2018 , 06:53 PM
I don't care what anyone says, you can't straddle and then fold this hand, there is probably a law against that. And if there isn't, there should be.

Post-flop is just dumb. If this is what you generally do, I stand corrected; you can definitely straddle and then fold this hand. Even better advice would be, as we used to say back in the day: unreg pre.
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