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1/2 Degen hours super spew hand. Thoughts? 1/2 Degen hours super spew hand. Thoughts?

09-09-2019 , 07:36 PM
TL;DR

1/2 $300 max maybe 6 AM-ish.

V1 - YWG was drinking all night. He's discussing strat and actually coaching players, it's terrible but I couldn't figure out a good way to get him to stop other than changing the subject. Started out playing fairly solid then appeared to get board or go on mini tilt. Usual open size is $10-12 regardless of limpers / position but his first open for $15 he had 64o, triple barreled a gut shot and hit the river against a set of 5s. Since then he's run it up to $1600 and now is back down to around $1k.

V2 - YIG also drinking. Came from broken game with about $500 and is VPIP 90%, PFR 5% or less, no 3b. Insane amount of stationing off. But he's picked up at least $500 from V1 stationing his bluffs with bottom pair. He's also running good. Took about $200 from Hero earlier when we both made boats. His most hilarious station was calling a river bet with 25o, no pair saying "Merry Christmas" because he felt bad for recently catching V1 bluffing and wanted to give some back.

Hero MAG - Getting mixed reviews from the table. I'm prob VPIP 20, PFR 10 as I'm getting to play my blinds alot in the limp fest when V1 doesn't raise. There's only one guy at the table seeing less flops than me but he's not raising as often so I'm somehow still seen as aggressive and not as tight as I'm playing per table talk.

OTTH: V1 is on tilt talking about how he's down to 1k from 1.6k. Opens over limpers to $15 from UTG+2, call, V2 calls BUT, Hero ($285 effective) decides to make a spew call from the BB with J5. UTG calls. 5 to the flop. Logic pre flop was to call or fold. Obv mostly folding but with both V1 tilting and V2 stationing if we flop big we can easily double or triple up. Raising is terrible vs station with our hand. Folding is best but we take the -EV spot pre for the potential.

Flop ($80): 983
Hero x, x, V1 $50, fold, V2 call, hero call, fold. I could x/r here but V1 has a lot of Ax and air that is folding then we just get it in vs station. Implied odds vs station really drove a lot of this.

Turn ($230): 983K
V1 $100, V2 call, Hero call. Calling with only $120 behind seems like spew but I'm counting on station to pay off if we hit either way so why put it in now if we don't have to. At this point V1 has a hand most of the time (but could just be on monkey tilt) so I figured I had 3 options. Risk $100 for a pot of $770, risk $220 for a pot of $990, or fold. Odds looked best for option 1.

River ($530): 983K2
Hero goes all in for $120. V1 loses his ***** momentarily and folds in disgust. V2 tank calls as expected.

Indefensible spew, or no?
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09-09-2019 , 07:55 PM
Preflop is huge spew. Against those two I would be calling wide but not J5s wide. You simply don't have enough money to justify calling a raise despite villains being terrible.

After that your actually fine. With V1 betting and V2 calling your getting such good odds on the flop and turn that folding would be bad. And on the river it's only a question of shove vs check/shove and with the pot that big already and a super station the direct shove looks better.
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09-09-2019 , 08:07 PM
As the judge asked in Caddyshack: “don’t you have homes?” Rack up and hit the rack.
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09-09-2019 , 08:17 PM
If I thought there were games like near me, it would make me want to get some sleep from 7 pm to 2 am and then go join the fun.

Anyone do that in Las Vegas?
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09-10-2019 , 05:12 AM
fold turn
and pre obv
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09-10-2019 , 06:14 AM
Why should he fold turn?
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09-10-2019 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
Preflop is huge spew. Against those two I would be calling wide but not J5s wide. You simply don't have enough money to justify calling a raise despite villains being terrible.

After that your actually fine. With V1 betting and V2 calling your getting such good odds on the flop and turn that folding would be bad. And on the river it's only a question of shove vs check/shove and with the pot that big already and a super station the direct shove looks better.
Can't argue with any of this. In the moment I just couldn't help myself.

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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
As the judge asked in Caddyshack: “don’t you have homes?” Rack up and hit the rack.
Greed kills. It was rare treat to have V1 and V2 both over 1k deep at a 1/2 game though. Did I mention I'm degen?
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Originally Posted by ionutd
fold turn
and pre obv
Did you see the part where we expect to risk $100 for a pot of $770 giving us more than direct odds to draw OTT? Even if they both somehow find a fold we have direct odds, no? Pre, I agree.
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09-10-2019 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
If I thought there were games like near me, it would make me want to get some sleep from 7 pm to 2 am and then go join the fun.

Anyone do that in Las Vegas?
Why have I never considered the possibility of sleeping 7pm to 2/3am and playing with the ultra degens until I need to get to my day job. I do like to wake up early and tend to be sharper in the early morning...
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09-10-2019 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
Why should he fold turn?
Barely getting direct odds to draw. Needs to get paid on the river if he hits which is far from a guarantee. Could be dominated by a bigger FD, and board pairing cards are always a problem. It's not as indefensible as his pre-flop call, but the turn should probably be a fold.

I have seen plenty of regs that show up at odd hours to try and scoop up degen drunk money. It's hit or miss. Sometimes 6am tables are full of autopilot grinders.
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09-11-2019 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
Did you see the part where we expect to risk $100 for a pot of $770 giving us more than direct odds to draw OTT? Even if they both somehow find a fold we have direct odds, no? Pre, I agree.
that's not how poker math works, you don't always win at showdown
nor do you always get an extra 120$ from them when you bink a flush
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09-11-2019 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
at a 1/2 game though. Did I mention I'm degen?
no, you are not.

Last edited by Lehrstunde1; 09-11-2019 at 01:55 AM.
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09-11-2019 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
Can't argue with any of this. In the moment I just couldn't help myself.


Greed kills.
greedy call preflop.
there is not such thing as, "now it's my time to win" in poker.

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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
Did you see the part where we expect to risk $100 for a pot of $770 giving us more than direct odds to draw OTT? Even if they both somehow find a fold we have direct odds.
no edge and your outs could be dead.

most of the time you won't get there on the river and you lost over half of your stack by chasing.

not chasing weak draws is top 1-3 priority to beat this games.

control your emotions better next time
and add "don't chase weak draws" in your gameplan.

Last edited by Lehrstunde1; 09-11-2019 at 02:01 AM.
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09-11-2019 , 02:08 PM
You guys are crazy. Hero is always getting paid if he hits his flush. Villain called off a river bet with 5hi earlier saying "merry Christmas".

Preflop is a fold whatever. Rest of the hand is fine.
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09-11-2019 , 02:46 PM
Is this meant for BBV?
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09-11-2019 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
that's not how poker math works, you don't always win at showdown
nor do you always get an extra 120$ from them when you bink a flush
Against a tilted guy and a loose super station hero is more likely to have the higher flush. And the super station means hero is way more likely to get paid. On the flop hero is getting better then 3-1 with reasonable money behind. On the turn hero has little behind but is getting better then 4-1 and is probably around 25% equity.

This is not a high profit situation, it's super high variance for a small +EV. But once hero gets to the flop folding would be bad.

Against reasonable opponents you can make a better case for folding. The risk of running into a higher flush becomes greater and the odds of getting paid becomes lower. But even there that really just makes the case for folding preflop stronger. Once getting to the flop the pot odds are just too good. Though a check/raise shove is likely the best option against opponents with fold buttons.
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