mp 1 and 2 and hj limp, co(tag woman, 500) open to 12, hero(tag-lag, 450) otb T7flat, bb(passive fit or fold, 260) flat and limpers flat as well. 6 way.
flop: 694(73)
check to hero bet 44, bb flat all fold.
turn: 3(161)
bb check, hero jam...

bb had ard 200 left ott, my thought process was thinking on such a drawy flop mw, V should be reraising on flop with sets and 2 pairs, so once he called the flop he is capped to TP type hand and some draws. so i decided to jam the turn thinking that against that range i have enough folding equity.
did i play terrible this hand?

Uh fold pre, check flop.

I don't think so. If he's fit or fold he should be folding a ton, and considering everyone else is still in the hand when it gets back to him on the flop I'd expect a raise from two pair plus pretty much always.(same w/ Ad 9d)

He probably donks the turn w/ 57 some % of the time, and Ad 9d likely doesn't check/call it off? The rare times you are called you still have at least 8 outs, so yeah I don't think it's a bad play.

First, w/o some dynamics (even then, flatting really shouldn't be happening here), pre is without question a fold. What were your reasons for calling pre with T7hh? I'm struggling to find reasons to flat. If much rather 3bet here than flat in any dynamic.

I would rate fold > 3bet > flat.

As played PF, I generally would check the flop here just cause it's not a very good board texture against a lot of limp/callers. We have flopped a gutshot, and we do have an overcard, but both of our cards help certain straight draws in to straights, we don't have any blockers to diamonds, and we have to get through 5 players. 5 players sucks, especially at 1/2 where people generally don't like to fold if they have any equity. Of those 5 players, we have 3 who limp/called pre, and this type of board is pretty wet against those hand ranges. Betting here just seems disastrous.

If we want to still bet the flop, on the turn we can barrel a lot of overcards, backdoor hearts, double gutters, and an 8 if our gutshot fills. I would bet larger to either induce folds or charge draws incorrectly. Just be prepared to bet larger on the turn against most stack sizes. Betting $44 in to $73 isn't enough IMO, it's like 3/5 pot. I bet 50 at least, probably more.

We get called, and the turn brings the 3 giving you a double gutter. I think you almost have to ship here, given thought process. It all depends on read for Villain really, which we don't have a description on other than TAG. OP you can fill this in more if you want. I've seen opponents at 1/2 who are nitty and won't stack off with top pair no matter what. I've also seen 1/2 villains who stack off with top pair despite a wet board texture because they're not paying attention to anything. I've also seen villains who show up here with monsters even though the board texture on the flop is bad because again, they're not paying attention to that, just their own hand. So I could see that sometimes, be prepared for it when betting the turn.

I do think shoving is correct here though given villain's stack size. You do have fold equity against a fair amount of hands that continued after the flop like single pairs and draws. Even when you are called, you have at least 8 outs. If you get called by sticky top pair (rare but possible), you sometimes have an additional 3 more outs to add to it.

So I think the turn is correct. Everything else prior to the turn was not good IMO.

Yes.

Pre: "TAG" isn't enough. What kind of range is she raising here and what does it take to shove her off of it? You can't play against calling stations and TAGs in the same hand with trash so if you're going to tango with this chick you need to iso

Post: don't like the stab at the pot. What do you rep and what do you think these dopes are going to do? You will typically get several callers and I don't think your gutter will be good often enough to justify the flop bet. OTOH there are a number of ways this hand can improve OTT.

Turn: yes now it's time to get aggressive.

If you're gonna LAG at 1/2:
- don't target nits and calling stations in the same hand unless you have equity
- put some thought into your opening range
- read up on exploiting TAGs (this is not how it's done)
- don't think you can win with a high cbet frequency. That's a TAG trick that works with a restricted range of decent opening hands. With a broad range of speculative hands, at a loose cally table, it is spew

This 100%.

Pre is fine. Flop is debatable. Turn I'm probably checking back.

the flatting pre play is becoz the tag only open super narrow range pre so i think a 3 bet might got her to 4b me pre, also the flat otb can invite those limpers to come along and we can eventually play a pot IP with T7s which i think its quite good??(or wrong concept please justify thanks)

You play aggressive and I like that. PF, your hand can be very deceptive and stack someone so I think the call OTB can be good.
OTF, this is very aggressive. I like that you are pushing position here but there are a lot of arguments for checking. Against this many players and this size pot, if you do bet, maybe a little more --50-- would be better. I think I'd be inclined to check though bc my gutshot draw and overcard give me some equity and I don't think a bet takes it down. I also don't want someone to check raise me off my hand. I'd expect a lot of opponents to 3! Shove a flush draw here, and blow you off your hand.
OTT, I check. You now have 6 outs that are basically the nuts and 5 outs (the diamonds that make your straight or any ten) that MIGHT be good.
Given Vs profile and actions so far in this hand, he's calling with an overpair; any 9x suited in diamonds; and a couple other hands. You've put a lot of pressure on V but given the call OTF, I think Vs range is heavily weighted to 9x with a flush draw.
You can check behind and barrel a river blank/scare card or if you complete your straight or fold if V bets. I think shoving OTT is a pretty risky play.
Live 1/2 players didn't come to the card room to fold; they check a lot but they hate to fold, hate to be bluffed and they hate to fold turn after calling a preflop raise and a flop bet. I think you get more calls here than this play justifies.
One sick result would be V calls with diamond draw and over cards, you both miss, and his no pair takes it.

You wanted a fold OTT and jamming may get that result but I'm having a hard time putting you on a hand that would justify a jam there if I'm the villan.

You could have a nut hand but wouldn't jam.

You could have a flush draw and overbet it because you are scared or you have TP and are scared to see another card.

Both would be bad jamming plays but at 1/2 they occur so if I'm villan I'm calling only if I have better than that.

The fact he called 44 and didn't raise may be a good sign that he doesn't have two pair and therefore villan may not be able to call your shove.

I don't mind the call preflop this deep.

Don't try to bluff your way through 5 other players. That's a good rule in general, but it's even more important at 1/2, where you'll face more calling stations than in any other game. Check and hope to pick up a good turn card.

Turn: I'd check back. I think V having a monster here is more likely than you give him credit for. By checking we can bluff the river if we miss and V checks to us, and we are in a position to win a big pot if we make our hand and V bets the river. 1/2 players hate folding flush draws, no matter how bad their odds. Nut diamond draw will sometimes call and beat you with Ace-high. OTOH shoving is fine provided you're confident V folds anything but monsters here. I don't have enough information to make that determination here, but you might.

I think the only problem here is saying "you wouldn't jam a nuttish hand here." Why not? With the effective stack size basically being the same as the pot going to the turn, why would we not jam here? That would be a great play IMO. Besides, we have no proof that our villain is thinking about our range of hands and what hands would shove and what wouldn't.

Other than that, I agree with you. This is why I fold this hand pre, avoiding situations like this. We're not sure if our opponent is paying attention, which can be bad either way here cause we're likely getting called from good players cause our line is so FOS here, we might get called from players who aren't paying attention and just say, I haz top pair, I'm going with it. But we got aggressive on the flop, picked up additional equity against any hand on the turn, so I feel like we almost have to shove here.

But I hate this hand, cause we are effectively jamming 100bbs in here with a hand we just could have gotten away from pre flop. This isn't how you should go around winning at 1/2.

I see what you're trying to do here, but this just isn't the right hand to do it with IMO. When we flat with T7s, the problem is that you're trying to make a hand on the flop with your suited double gapper. There isn't much room at 1/2 to LAG it up postflop multiway because people don't like to fold at this level. So that's why I'm not a huge fan of playing this hand preflop because I like to have more than one way to win a hand, generally. Other than set mining, I always try to see if there's more ways I can take advantage of a pot.

We always want to exploitively play against our opponents. If her range is super tight from up front, that's why I could see flatting here with low pp's and SC's, but gappers don't really make sense given that they don't flop well enough. We're winning by making this fold preflop against a really tight opening range.

If there were more dynamics, and the preflop raiser had opened a bit wider, then I can see maybe 3betting this hand light, and exploit them, giving us another way to win the hand besides just hitting the board. But there really aren't those dynamics here, so I'm folding pre and waiting for a better spot. Flatting just seems so weak. Forget about our hand being disguised or anything as someone else said, people aren't hand reading at this level so none of that **** really matters.

But is it an absolute DISASTER to flat pre, no. There are much worst spots I guess. I'm just trying to explain why I wouldn't have done it. I'm clearly not in the majority so you don't have to listen to me.

Am also interested to see results in the future. Keep posting hands OP.

This doesn't matter at all against typical opponents at 1/2. When was the last time you were up against a true hand reader at this level? It's rare. They're not evaluating our hand range enough for deception to be a reason for us IMO.