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09-19-2015 , 01:57 PM
Hero: early 20s winning image, playing a wide range pre and ajusting well post flop.
Villain: young Asian guy late 20s. Seems competent.

Effective stacks are $400

OTTH - hero raises a few limpers to $15 in late position with QJss
Villain on the button calls. BB calls.

Flop - Ks 9s 2h (pot $46)

Hero bets $25 - should this sizing be bigger to get more folds?
Villain calls.

Turn 7s - I decide to check raise (I noticed he's a little to aggro and likes to bet, I also thought my line would like bluffy to him, it did). Hero checks, villain bets $30.
Hero makes it $110.
Villain calls. (Pot $316).

River 4s - hero checks, villain shoves remaining $205 or so. Hero????

Sorry if the format sucks. Typing this in a rush on my
Phone. Please advise!!
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09-19-2015 , 02:40 PM
This is a tough spot. You have to back this hand up to the flop and figure out what type of hands that contain the A of spades that would float the flop.

I don't see too many but I also hate the fact that we block both the Q and J of spade so and that I feel like he should take a showdown w the Ts rather than turn it into a Bluff.

I think overall that if his range is pretty wide pre that I pay this one off. It's really tough for him to have enough As' in his hand here to balance the Bluffs imo.
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09-19-2015 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sungar78
This is a tough spot. You have to back this hand up to the flop and figure out what type of hands that contain the A of spades that would float the flop.

I don't see too many but I also hate the fact that we block both the Q and J of spade so and that I feel like he should take a showdown w the Ts rather than turn it into a Bluff.

I think overall that if his range is pretty wide pre that I pay this one off. It's really tough for him to have enough As' in his hand here to balance the Bluffs imo.
I agree completely. The only combo I thought he could show up with that includes the As is A9. I thought they were many more combos of hands he would turn it to a bluff than value hands.
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09-19-2015 , 03:05 PM
AsKx is still there for sure. I've sat on the button and flatted a pre flop raise with AK plenty of times. Less likely with a bunch of limpers left to act however. I'd be thinking about what his bet of 30/call means.
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09-19-2015 , 03:07 PM
Flop bet is a little weak. We want to get our V's to fold all of their weak Kx's. that C/R on the turn is weak. that needs to be like 195.

As played, you are getting 2.5:1, so the is definately callable.

his turn bet is strange. He is repping something like AKx. So 30 into 96 is really weak. or, maybe he has already made the nut flush and is just valuetowning you.

I would lay this down. It looks like he turned the nut flush.
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09-19-2015 , 03:31 PM
Flop 30-40. Turn 90-110 and eval river.

AP Fold if V is truly competent (though his turn bet was semi-awful). I cannot find a bluffing range that takes his line especially when you went pretty face up OOP with turn ck-r.
Having said that you took The Worst and maybe the only line that could bring folding into play.

The early street weakness with flop sizing is passable, as it will leave weak hands/draws and some Kx in and leaves you indifferent to folds, calls, raises from any V on the flop, but ALL turns need to be barrelled with this plan, especially a spade. It's going to check through most times which is a disaster since there's almost nothing you can get value from on the rivers - when you ck-r what range are expecting to call turn and how much of that shoves spade River?

Last edited by Amanaplan; 09-19-2015 at 03:36 PM.
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09-19-2015 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
Flop bet is a little weak. We want to get our V's to fold all of their weak Kx's. that C/R on the turn is weak. that needs to be like 195.

As played, you are getting 2.5:1, so the is definately callable.

his turn bet is strange. He is repping something like AKx. So 30 into 96 is really weak. or, maybe he has already made the nut flush and is just valuetowning you.

I would lay this down.
It looks like he turned the nut flush.
This
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09-19-2015 , 04:04 PM
I think V repped the flush w As on the turn, and called your raise hoping to hit. And then hit. This smells a lot like the nuts.

Every time I call it off with second nut flush, they have it. This isn't a bluff, he has the goods. Fold.
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09-19-2015 , 08:55 PM
I suppose it depends on what you mean by competent. If he is quite competent and views you as a decent player, you should probably be folding most small flushes on the river. If he knows this, when you check, he is probably betting most of his range because you obviously don't have the nut flush. Would you check the nut flush on the river? Most likely not, therefore, he has all rights to try to push you off things like low flushes, sets and two pair.... Also, can you ever call with AK or KQ no spade!?

If this guy is passive and bad, I fold all day long. If he is truly "competent" or "good" I call and see what he's up to. I would have rather built a bigger pot so I was totally committed by now, but hey, sometimes that's not the way it works out...

I hope you called and saw two pair and took it down!
Or you saw the As and are happy this guy called on the turn without proper odds.

Nh
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09-19-2015 , 10:36 PM
A good thinking player knows you don't have the As. Because you wouldn't check on the river. Never.

So he could turn anything into a bluff. Any additional info or reads on V?

Without more info, and V is late 20's Asian, got to call. Hate stereotyping, but I've seen this movie before.
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09-19-2015 , 10:49 PM
Your sizing should be a bit bigger on this flop... I'd bet 35.

Fold this river.
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09-20-2015 , 05:40 AM
Bet turn (not c/r).

AP: Call river.
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09-20-2015 , 06:23 AM
Even if he's competent he's probably not willing to risk ai on a bluff despite you shutting down otr. C/f is fine.
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09-20-2015 , 06:30 AM
$35 or more on flop. C/R more on turn (like 2/3PSB).

Soul read, and fold on river if he gives us nothing.

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Originally Posted by a12
Bet turn (not c/r).

AP: Call river.
c/r is much better if he is likely to bet a wide range on turn as is OP's read.
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09-20-2015 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
c/r is much better if he is likely to bet a wide range on turn as is OP's read.
ok. What is the plan for the river if we c/r ott?
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09-20-2015 , 02:13 PM
I agree with betting bigger on the flop to get some high equity hands to fold. He's never folding a king though.

I like the check raise cause I know he thinks i would just bet all my flushes and it looks
Bluffy.

I discarded AK combos from his range as I thought he would 3 bet pre. This led me to call because he only has one combo of the nuts As9x.

He tabled KQ no spade and MHIG.
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09-20-2015 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarf Ace
I agree with betting bigger on the flop to get some high equity hands to fold. He's never folding a king though.

I like the check raise cause I know he thinks i would just bet all my flushes and it looks
Bluffy.

I discarded AK combos from his range as I thought he would 3 bet pre. This led me to call because he only has one combo of the nuts As9x.

He tabled KQ no spade and MHIG.
nice play.

remember all of his live tells for the next time this happens with a similar type player

I thought that when he called the C/R, he was valuetowning you because there really is not any room for him to make a play on the river, UNLESS, specifically a spade his the board. Which, if you already have the flush, is like a 1:6 shot, making calling the 80 a really bad play.
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09-20-2015 , 03:02 PM
It is a tough spot.

The flop bet is fine. Anything bigger than you are laying your own self bad odds (which is thin any ways except for adding in imply odds). V Call on flop sets his range to aa, set, at spade, AK or kq maybe a smaller flush draw.

Turn bet means nothing you checked acting scared so he went for it or has something and is valued. The call of 80 more is the question. Any of the above hands are still in play with an OK 1-2 player. Maybe he is dumping AK that has no spade....maybe.

4s is bad on river, but at least it was not the 2s. You checked and he is ether thinking you tried to steal on the turn, he has the As or donkey betting a weaker hand. NOT a bluff but maybe not the nuts.


Hand 2 combos he is ahead if he is the kind of guy who will call pre with ATs to a bet or flat pre and flop with AK.

Hand combos he could be donk betting about 20.

You said he likes to bet out alot. Call and start controlling the action more, you will find you will have more information.

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09-20-2015 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
nice play.

remember all of his live tells for the next time this happens with a similar type player
Good advice, thank you!
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