1/2 with 300 cap

Hero - 40s long haired white guy. Solid winning image this session, basic TAG strategy with emphasis on thight at this very crazy table.

Villain 1- 30s blue collar black dude. Having fun and fun guy at the table. Certified maniac. Will open PF hugely wide, calls 3! 100% of the time and never seen him 4!. Will chase gut shots, bet 200bb into 20bb pots with both nuts and gut shot draws, and call 50bb pre flop shoves with 5,7 off suit.

Villain 2 - late 50s old man coffee clearly frustrated after being at this crazy table for a couple of hours.

HH

V1 (630) opens to 10 in late position
V2 (320) next to act in cutoff 3! To 25
Hero (800ish) button 7♣*7♦*calls
Folds to v1 who calls
Flop (78) Q♥*7♥*2♥
V1 donks 50
V2 thinks for 30 seconds then shoves.

Comments on action so far and thoughts on what I should do now are most appreciated.

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Pre is close but OK if you think V1 is 100% calling and never 4-betting.

Obviously shove flop. V2 has 6 combos each of AA and KK, only 3 total of QQ.

Pre is 100% standard in this situation.

Re-shove and pray that V1 comes along to give manies. V2 may have flopped a monster, but AQ/AA/KK and AK are all possible hands that he's tilt shoving because he can't believe he finally has something and now he's trying to protect on a scary board. We're only crushed by QQ, we're behind AK with two streets to boat up.

It's a little high variance but it's a ship I think. The only hand were really afraid of is QQ. V2 basically never has a flush here. He probably has AA/KK with a at best.

V1, on the other hand, if he understands what is going on at the table, his donk might be to induce a spazz from V2, which means we might have only 20% equity vs him, but it also could be a stab at a scary board so it is kinda up in the air

Yum. Let's get it in. Flatting gives the donker a better chance to call and drain more chips from him as well.

Pure terrible luck if someone has QQ here.

V2 almost certainly has AA or KK here. If he is frustrated / tilt-y, he is almost 100% looking to GII with a premium hand. If in fact, his thinking was "30 seconds", then I'm liable to believe that he is legit thinking about what to do. I do not think he has hearts at all, and is worried about a 4 flush beating him. He would almost insta-shove if he had an overpair that was a heart.

V1 could have a hand like AQx, which is like, the top of his range based on your reads. He could have TT and is looking to see what happens, and give himself a reason to fold if he knows he is beat. Maniacs are not blind to the situation. There really is no other hand we would even consider worrying about that V1 could have, thus, ship.

Call, we want to encourage v1 to stay.. if a 4th heart comes on the turn there is too much money to fold

If v1 ships, it really sucks but we can't fold, our read that v2 is 'tilty' makes calling mandatory

If reads are right I think it's a shove. I would range OMC on AA-QQ and Maniac on XhQ and made flushes. I'd probably fold pre to the 3! from an OMC, even a frustrated OMC.

I think that set-mining a tilted OMC 160bb deep is about as perfect as it gets. He's stacking off the flop with damn near 100% of his 3! range, so our implied odds are as good as they're ever gonna get.

I forget the rule on IO for set mining, less than 10% of effective stacks to see a flop or something?

I guess it's good, but when I hear maniac I think of a high 4! frequency.

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15:1 is a general rule

Pre is fine obviously and now we ship it in and cross fingers.

All in with mid-set vs. a maniac and a tilted OMC is a pretty good result EV wise.

It is a general rule in a vacuum, yes. But we should always tune our expected IO to the table. Besides, we've essentially already got 15:1 when we consider that V1 is always coming along, but we really don't need him to in order to justify set mining. We can significantly reduce our IO against this particular villain because his action is extremely predictable. Maybe not all the way to 8:1, but 10:1 is ++EV by any reckoning I can imagine.

Agree 100%

Versus predictable OMC v2, implied odds requirements go down.

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So far unanimous response is to call or shove.

V1 is very wide here. What range do we put v2?

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AA-KK, QQ, AQ, 72 spaz (lol).

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Any AA, KK or only each with a heart to go with it?

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All combos of AA
All combos of KK
All remaining combos of QQ
AK
AQ

We're about a 3:1 favorite against that range. We're still about 2:1 favorites if we reduce his overpairs to include a , and that's about as strong as you can make his range. In reality this is AA/KK about 80% of the time, in my experience. The fact that he went into the tank before shoving has me thinking he doesn't have the A.

Ya I think you are right most of the time.

I only gave him QQ-AA where over pairs only contained a heart. Versus that range it is basically a coin flip.

Just didn't think he would shove with only an over pair without at least have backup flush draw.

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Any, IMO. Thats what? 12 combos of AA KK and 1 of QQ. Being tight Id add AhQx for 3 more.

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Why is a shove better then raising to $250ish? Is it just because V1 is a maniac? But it seems to me that a shove will possibly get a bare A♥️ to fold. We can always shove turn.

Because $250ish is an effective shove? Technically I guess we're leaving him a decision to fold $10 OTT. And while I've seen some maniacs do some very stupid things, I've never seen that.

And I've never met a maniac that ever folded a nut draw for any amount of money. This is their dream spot...it's either chip mountain or felt.

I think that's far too narrow, which sounds like you're looking for a reason to fold. In reality, that puts us as a 3:2 dog against V2. And shoving is still correct because even if V1 folds, we're essentially calling $290 to win $415. Having even the most remote possibility that V1 will come along with KQ or any FD makes a shove ridiculously +EV. Does it feel like high variance? Sure. But still +EV.

Big Perm...

V1 is $630 effective. $250 is not an effective shove. He donked $50, so he can very well call another $200 with a bare A♥️, but find a fold for $550 more.

I just reread the op... My bad I was reading it wrong.