my stack: 600
villain: 450+

hand: a6 clubs

assuming image is standard tight, don't recognize anyone as paying that much attn. no weird hands shown down, maybe some positional plays noticed.
villain is very tight , playing less than 10% of his hands.

few limps to me, on the cutoff.
raise a6s to 11.

one of the blinds call, utg makes it 40.
i called 29. probably a bad call here but i felt with position, deep stacks and his faceup hand (i'm putting him on qq+), i can give up a little equity here on the cheapest street and try to stack him.

hu to flop of
784r
pot: 90

villain bets 60.

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pokerstove says my equity is 70/30 dog here, which doesn't seem bad since i might get to see two streets if he pot-controls with his assumed one-pair hand on the turn.

i'm thinking, if i hit a 5 i'm getting his stack, what is he putting me on? assuming he thinks i have TT-QQ. he's only somewhat worried about(but still shipping to) 44, 77, 88 and 55 (if i hit 5).

If i pick up a gin club and he bets less than the pot i'll be getting a great price for a combo draw. depending on his bet size i might get a decent price for a weird club.

And an ace might get paid a little if he doesn't have aces (assuming this is less likely due to me holding one?).

how bad is it to call here? is this just a classic compounded error of calling pf and playing worse on the flop? or worth it to peel a street and re-evaluate turn.

a raise seems spewy, and folding didn't seem like an option...but then i don't beat 1-2nl yet lol

thanks in advance for logical responses.

Preflop is spew. You're not deep enough for this and there really are few specific boards which will be good for both hands that will allow you to stack him. You will not hit hard enough often enough to continue past the flop.

Flop, a bet of $60 is simply too much for the number of perceived outs you have, and you really have little in terms of implied odds. He's not likely to send in $350 on the final two streets if he has an overpair and you hit a 5 or an Ace to take the lead.

How deep should both stacks be for this to be not-as-bad pf? And I'm assuming this also means you'd rather call with some sort of suited connector rather than an Axs? is it really THAT spewy pf? most 1-2 players who wait oh-so-long for the big overpair, overplay and take em to the felt in my experience, even if they're tight.

I disagree about the implied odds here. What does villain put me on when a 5 comes off on the turn? he's only worried about 88,77,44 and now ... 55?
unlikely i called the pf and flop with something that completes this particular 4card straight.

When the ace comes, does he really think I peeled the flop with AK on a dry non-fd board? did i call pf/flop with a8, a7, a4? i feel like he's going to cry and still ship it in if an ace falls, hopefully it's not the last one in the deck.

And is it really asking for too much to think he might check the turn for pot control given that he must feel wa/wb to flopped sets or AA?

There isn't a stack deep enough to call a l/rr pf. This is AA a vast majority of the time against a nit. You can't make a straight, two pair is no good and with a FD you're 2:1 against. If you hit the FD, even the fishiest player is going to slow down.

When a guy with the handle "Two Outs No Problem" tells you that you aren't getting the right price to call, it is time to fold on the flop. You're wildly over-estimating his ability to stack off.

Preflop is super spew
Calling flop is super spew

How can you imagine that you have implieds if the draw which you're chasing is so obvious?

When you're counting your backdoor clubs you know you're grasping at straws.

You want him to check behind on the turn for pot control in one scenario, but in other scenarios decide to stack off on an ultra dangerous board? It can't be both.

You're thinking too much like an online multitabling reg. It doesn't matter how much thought you put into it on a forum days after the fact, he is not going to stack off this deep on the turn with an overpair of QQ etc if the board reads 8745. It might not seem like it makes sense, but it's live, and it's what happens. He'll see the four-parts to a straight and freeze, or he'll see the A and freeze because he has JJ or some such hand. You'd be calling the $60 to win what's currently in the middle and maybe one more smallish value bet.

As far as how deep you need to be preflop, you have A6s and the bet size is $40. You had to call another $29. Even as super deep as you were, it was $29 to potentially win another $410, which isn't great to begin with and is even less great when you consider that there really are very few boards that Ac6c can hit that allow TT thru AA to stackoff on with you in good shape.

Cute, kudos.

Thank you guys for the detailed responses.

Next time, I will surrender this hand to the limp/rr to the "nit" PF.

This particular hand for this partcular price, yeah. In different situations, you are entirely correct, it is quite fine to enter the pot if the betting line makes it clear he has a hand in the {JJ-AA} range

Calling pre really is terrible, you are hoping to flop trips or a flush draw, 250bb's deep is nowhere near enough and you have to know 100% that if you make a flush he is going to put his whole stack in with one pair

i like playing suited AXs deep but only when i can limp in or call a small raise. i would never raise over limpers with the hand because they are often going to call and you'll never really be happy with most hands that you flop unless it's a flush. you should just limp it in unless you have some sick read that they will just fold to a raise. when limp/re-raises, this is a snap fold. you'll be dead 95% of the time.