1/2 9-handed, a few people up from the table momentarily. This has been a more loose aggressive table than I'm used to. Hero is an early 20's white guy, he sat down with only 130$, this buy in went fairly quickly after playing AK twice and our c-bets not getting through when we missed, one of these hands was against the upcoming villain who called our 6x UTG open, called our c-bet on Qxx, and bet when we checked to him and showed us a Q. We got in the rest of our remaining stack TT vs. AQ and lost. Re-bought in for 200, we chip up a little bit in a relevant hand that goes...
Folds to hero OTB with 89o opens to 7, blinds defend, our villain in the BB starts off buy saying " I should re-raise this" but doesn't and flicks in the red chip. flop is Qxx two spades, checks through, turn is a 9, SB checks BB bets 10, we call SB calls, river is an 8 no flushes on board, SB checks BB bets 15 we call, SB calls, BB shows 97s hearts, we show two pair SB shows JJ?! says he was waiting for villain to re-raise pre, they clearly know each other both 20yo college kids.
and then we lost a big hand.. limper, older wg deep stack opens, we flat in the CO with AJs, B (guy with JJ from previous hand) calls, BB calls, limper calls. AK2 two diamonds, PFR bets small we call, everyone else calls, AK28 still only 1 FD, PFR makes same small bet, we raise and B puts in the rest of his chips, we called off and lost to A8 offsuit.. We made a bad call, and we showed our hand having gotten all in on the turn.
Finally, we get in the rest of our second buy-in ( ~40$) with 77 vs. two AK's. A great spot to triple, of course they chop my money..
We have now bought in for another 200$, and any comments about my image that differ from the way I think I'm perceived, which I'm about to go into, are appreciated.
So, I think I clearly have a losing image after calling off with the AJ and being stuck 330$, in for 530$. I think I am perceived as having a tight pre-flop range having not played too many hands and shown only good cards for the most part. This range has been shown to loosen significantly when folded to on the button however, having showed 89o from that position. My c-bet frequency is high and has met a lot of resistance from hands beating my AK's high, which I folded. So It would appear I can be exploited post-flop
Villain is 20yo white guy, goes to University of Chicago, he likes to talk during hands and is loose-aggressive. He has ~500$, a winning image but has had at least one bluff picked off.
example: heads up action villain vs. LAG to his left. I start paying attention on the turn which goes.. Villain bets into LAG on 887J two spade board and gets raised by LAG, villain says "huh.. something something" shifts around uncomfortably and calls, villain leads ~100 on a blank river and says out loud he thinks his opponent has KK or QQ. LAG calls with QQ and scoops, villain mucked his hand
OTTH:
Folds to Hero (200$) OTB with K
3
opens to 7$
SB (covers) calls
Villain (covers) calls
Flop (21$): 2
8
3
check check
Hero bets 10$
SB folds, Villain quickly check raises to 25$
I feel like this villain is check-raising too often trying to re-steal. This small raise seems designed to get a frequent c-bet to fold when I have air. I feel that this villain would usually just call with an 8, and could easily have flush draws or 45 56 type hands or even two over cards. I decided to call
Turn(71$): Q
2
8
3
Villain bets 35$
Hero(168$) calls cuz I thinks he bluffing me
River(141$): 2
Q
2
8
3
Villain jams for hero's remaining 133$
I immediately show visible discomfort and start talking, "God, I think your bluffing me but I've got nothing" then I say "I've just got a pair" and I show 'him my hand.. he doesn't say anything. The guy next to me though says I cannot show my hand and that it's dead, I tell him that it's not and the dealer verifies that I'm ok. Now villain gives the dealer an 'are you sure' sort of look as if I'm getting away with something. The dealer actually says to me twice "you are good", and for a second I think he wants me to call lmao.
Now I ask villain If he wants me to call, he sort of just shrugs his shoulders, turns his palms face up, and tilts his head a little with an "I don't know, up to you" expression. I tell him I really don't think he's check raising me with an 8, but that maybe he took bottom pair and got lucky. He says "Ok, then call me.. or don't.. " "Now he asks for a clock"
I keep thinking on it, clearly frustrated, I apologize to the table and they say no worries take your time big decision etc..
dealer says he'll give me another minute and then call clock.
Now villain tells me he has 9's and asks If I want to see one as he peels his top card slightly, and tells me to pick one.
Immediately I say yes, I say show me the bottom one. He hesitates and then turns over the top card and it's the 9 of diamonds..
"and its a diamond!" I say
some uncomfortable seeming laughter and he says something about mind games
obviously we like seeing a diamond, and I really think this player would 3-bet 99 from the BB but I can't be sure, In fact I do not think he would play 99 this way at all, who knows.
I think on it a little more considering that he's showing me a diamond to get me to call and I pick up my cards holding them as if they are about to be helicoptered into the muck, but I hesitate and don't muck them still thinking I'm good.
Now he says "O' cmon now your angling me"
"No I'm not.."
" That is an angle.." with a genuine tone expressing disapproval
I was not trying to get a read off him by 'fake' mucking my hand, but I did feel a little guilty about the entire situation and over the top table talk. However, I suddenly felt a lot better about my hand so I put my cards back down and grabbed some chips.
dealer tells him "If you know its an angle, then its not an angle.."
I say Ok and I call...
I will post the results later..
Thoughts on this spot AP, call or fold?
does the talk and 9 of diamonds affect this decision?
and also what are your thoughts on this level of digging for information?
Do you guys consider this bad poker etiquette? I personally enjoy any sort of mind games or leveling and consider them part of the game.
Last edited by QuinnthEskimo; 07-11-2018 at 05:06 AM.