Hey guys!

7-handed game after a nightly tourny

Hero/BTN(250) Young 20s white cash reg, has not shown any hands down and has been fairly snug, however I just fired 3 albeit small barrels at the villain in question 2-3 hands ago.

Villian/MP(400) 30s white tourny reg. A bit fishy. makes some of preflop mistakes with RIO hands and calls slightly too much. Postflop can get a bit sticky with draws and occasionally 2nd pair. not a TOTAL station. not very aggressive and never really gets out of line. May be somewhat unaware of ranges and only "plays his bards"

1 limp and V makes it 11
HJ calls
Hero 3b 35 widda AK
V calls
HJ folds
V "checks dark"

FLOP(86) Q96
Hero?

Can we Cbet +EV with these stack sizes/villian/texture?

Thanks guys!

How wide is he calling 3bets? Against a typical calling range of medium-high pps and AK we absolutely can. I think it gets closer to a check if he calls really wide, with SCs or dominated broadways.

I would c-bet here around 2/3s of the time. The check dark is usually a hand fishing for a good flop that is going to fold to a lot of c-bets. You have two problems that keep you from c-betting every time here. First, this is a moderately ugly board. It doesn't help you at all and there are lots of ways villain could have connected in some way. Worse, there are several ways that catching a pair could give you the second best hand here. Second, stack sizes make sizing a bit awkward. Your going to need to c-bet to $50 and that is going to leave you little option but check/fold turn and river unless you catch.

I think the check dark leads to a lot of PP's that he plans on playing very straight forward post flop. So, I think that we should def bet here as he's going to fold almost all of them.

So bet $50 - $55 and collect dat money.

No because of your barell 2-3 hands ago.
I think you ll get called lighter even if you double barell brick turn.
Flop is not good for your hand, and you ll have a hard time decyphering what has villain called you with. TP, SD, FD. Thats a lot of turn cards to fade.

With the HJ caller Id go a little bigger pre-flop, probably $45.

As played, bet $45-$50 on the flop. You should be able to fold out some pocket pairs that were set-mining, as well as some unpaired hands with backdoor draws that you really don't want to give a free turn cards to. Folding out hands with 20-30% equity might not seem like a great outcome, but it is when they're only putting more money in when they improve, which is likely the case here.

I think your 3-bet requires a c-bet like 95% of the time. You'd c-bet QQ+ here, right? Well, QQ (top set) might get a check behind as it's so strong, but certainly AA and KK. I'd suggest a higher number than others, 65-70, to put max pressure.

If you check behind, you might as well just tell him "I have AK and missed".

I'm not a huge fan of 3-betting AK/AQ for this exact reason. Most times the flop whiffs and you're obliged to c-bet into a bloated pot with just Ace-high.

there are some draws yes but we started down the road of the 3bet so by checking and giving up now, we are just giving control to him. If we planned on playing fit or fold, I would have flatted pf.

I would 3bet half pot knowing this is going to take more than one barrel. We have some equity in the hand and some FE so it's time to splash water on your face and play poker

that is correct, most of the time the flop whiffs. But it also whiffs the other guy as well, where he is forced to make a hand or call our air c-bet.

What hands fold to $70 that don't fold to $50? I assume you're betting $70 with KK here too?

The key with 3-betting these hands in full ring games is to size it such that you win the pot immediately a fair amount of the time. If there's no FE at all, its probably not a good 3-bet (unless the open raiser is very loose/stationy, in which case we can do it for pure value.) More often than not though, the possibility of getting called and then flopping TPTK is more of a secondary source of equity, along with the times we both miss and are able to pick up the pot with a c-bet.

We get 4 bet quite a bit less often than we do when we hold say JJ/QQ since we block the only two hands in most players 4 bet ranges. 3-betting more often than our opponents (regardless of what hands we choose to do it with) is also good for Shania.

Shania?

I don't like the board texture for cbetting against a sticky player, and you have almost no backdoor equity. Plus, you left yourself with barely a pot-sized bet on the turn. You might be drawing to 4 outs (As and Ks aren't good for you) on the turn with your cbet.

You can c-bet ~$55 to fold out air. But if you get called, make sure you have a plan for the turn. Unless a bad card come, you are gunna have to continue your line.

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Thanks Homie

I like a c-bet here because in 1/2 games when we 3-bet in position preflop it really puts us in a pretty powerful position after the flop...I think checking back here concedes that power. The thing is also is that we dont haveto make a large c-bet, because it is very likely that if he is going to fold then he will fold weather we bet $45 or we bet $75. So I think a nice c-bet of around $45-$50 should do the trick. If he calls, then we got a decision to make on the turn if we want to continue, but I just dont see how we can give up our control here by checking back.

The more I think about this, the less that I like a cBet here.

It's just really crappy board texture. If we had reads about he plays T9/98 type hands here, it might be different, but 8/10 of the suited connectors connected here. They all either have a pair, or a straight draw. KQ/QJ/JT/T9/98/87/76/65. They all have back door equity in case they are behind and there are some hands that flopped pretty big here. And some non zero (and possibly pretty high) % of the time, we will get check/shipped on here and we have to fold out our hand.

I think if we had the A or if the board was Q93, or J73 it would be a lot different. But this is just really bad texture. And given stack sizes, we can never hope to triple our villain off his hand. So, we just cBet and give up with no plan so much.

We do still get folds from PP's, but I'm not sure that we are folding out a large enough portion of his range to make it profitable.

I think that I'd check behind and hope to bink the A on the turn.

Can we get this Villain to fold low-mid pps here? If so, fire away. If not, I really don't see the purpose of a cbet; Villain would only fold dominated hands that have very little showdown equity against us. As others have said, if this V is going to call too light pf with RIO hands, make the 3b larger and print money.
Agreed, I hate all that singing when I'm trying to play poker

Haha, I just realized the typo

If this Villain isn't very aggro, I doubt he opens over a limper with a lot of SCs. It seems like his range is mostly decent Ax, broadways, and pairs.

This is a much better & detailed explanation of what i meant when i said i didnt like to cbet here.