Against 7 'limp happy tight passive' players I think there's a huge chance QJ is dominated, maybe by more than one opponent; and very little chance it's actually ahead 'hot-and-cold' against 7 hands. The limp-happy-tight-passive-ness also makes taking down the pot less likely because these players will have a stronger limping range than 'typical' or 'loose-passive' players.

That doesn't necessarily mean a large raise is bad, but it's worse than it would be against different opponents. It will still narrow the field, and if everyone who calls whiffs the flop we can take it down with a cbet. But we also face possible reverse implied odds when we hit top pair.

I think I prefer limping, but I definitely prefer a larger raise to a smaller one - at least 15.

(btw are you really not tipping after winning this pot pre-flop?)

As played I check this flop. Against this many opponents it's highly likely one has an ace. If they were REALLY tight and predictable and much deeper stacked you could consider barreling all the way and bombing the river to get them off 'just an ace', but I wouldn't try anything like that in this situation.

I fall into this line of thinking also. QJs is not a hand I want to raising huge here, how many flops are good for us with 4 callers? Someone is almost always going to have at least a weak ace here, no? Don't we want to raise just enough to cut down a limper or three and see a flop in position?

I'm raising 10-12 also, then seeing how the flop plays out. As played, check behind for me. I just think raising to 25 or whatever with QJs is burning money, perhaps I'm wrong.

This may be the most overused phrase in all of LLSNL. This play works so little. Just limp in pre, QJs plays very well multiway. As played just check and hope for a spade on the turn.

I don't see any problem with the preflop raise. I would probably make it bigger to knock it down to 1-2 players. You also should be very aware of who the first limper is. If they are one of the looser calling players at the table I would not do this with so many people already in because once he calls every else is going to follow. Flop is a check 5 way.

ok so if they are going to call hoping to "hit the lottery" then we should be making it more expensive so that they are making a bigger mistake by calling our raise. Bigger mistake by them= more money for us. Also when raising from LP the goal should always be to raise an amount that will get you either heads up or 3 handed. Why? Because your edge is bigger against 1 or 2 players compared to 4 or 5. Also by raising to 10-12 with 200 effective stacks we are giving ourselves about 20-1 implied odds, which for suited connectors we need about 25-1 implied odds to play them profitably.

I think the PF raise and sizing are fine. But I'm checking back on the flop at least 75% of the time.

I agree with this because you put "trying" in there. That'd be a weak strategy. But you'll hit hands, you don't need to work on that part. The guys who call any amount pf and pray they flop a flush, yeah, weak player.

But most of the 1/2 profits come from getting paid correctly "when" we hit hands. Stealing pots has it's place but the bulk of the money at these stakes comes from value betting. Flop mid set on a 28K rainbow board and bet 5x the pot so even KQ and AK fold, that's what a lot of bad 1/2 players do and then they'll say they didn't want backdoor wheel to get there. Betting right to price out drawing hands and betting right to sucker in weaker made hands are the skills you need.

So I wouldn't limp QJs to pray to hit. I'd limp because when we do hit we know how to get paid more so than everyone else.

To me this just guarantees all worse hands fold, which defeats the purpose of what I said above.

At any 1-2 game I have played in where 7 people limped, I would expect multiple people to call a raise up to even $25. At a table this loose-passive, there is no need to over play a marginal hand. No one is folding an ace in this situation, and any money bet on the flop would be burning money imo

1) I don't limp from the button. OP's sizing is a little on the big side, but I don't hate it.

2) There are many times when the flop is this dry where you can take this pot down OTF with a small, 1/4 to 1/3 size bet. If this is a nice limpy, fit/fold, table, then I'm going to cbet into the entire room here. $25-30 should be fine. If its a sticky, calling-station, table, then I'm happy to draw for free.

3) IF we are called OTF, then I'm shutting down OTT unless we get a dream card. If the turn is a [, A, 6, 2] and it checks to me, I'm going for a 2nd barrel. $45-55.

4) IF we get to the river, then I only bet if I hit my flush.

5) Unless I have a specific read to do otherwise, I'm snap folding to any raise.

So what have we here... We're risking something like $20+30+55=$105 to win something like $160-250, if the table will let us run them over.

I understand the turn barrel on a and an A but why are we barreling a 6 and a 2?

Pairing any of the flop cards reduce the number of those cards that your opponents could have.

ETA: its essentially a brick.

Also, when the 6 or 2 pair, it could also be a .

Grunch: Pre is fine, your hand has value. I'd cbet small here. I'm mostly folding out non A hands or non pair hands. Giving up is okay too.