1/2, 7am

V is a loose, aggressive bad rec player playing almost every hand, either for a limp or small raises, straddles every time UTG and raises it up over limpers to weird amounts like $14 (bad) and cbets relentlessly too.

Hero (tight, $450) limps 55 in EP
V (LAG fish) next to me limps
1 or 2 others limp
SB completes, BB checks

FLOP (~$12): K 6 5
Hero bets $10, V calls, next guy shoves $17, SB calls, Hero calls, V calls

TURN ($80): 2
Hero bets $40, V calls, SB folds

RIVER ($160): 8
Hero bets $65, V quickly says ALL-IN for $237

I'm not sure if he could be overvaluing something like K8 here or slow playing 34 or rivered with 74, all of which are in his pf limping range.

It's not that huge. It's less than the size of the pot. You didn't say anything really about his post flop play but if 34 and 74 are in his range so are k8,k6,k5,k2,65,62, etc. you get the picture. I'm calling it.

Bet bigger on turn. As played, EZ call.

And yes. Flop and turn can be much bigger which would make the river decision simple.

I know my sizing sucks.

I've seen very, very few players at 1/2 that raise rivers all-in as bluffs. Even with two pair, most just call here.

This decision would be based on what we've seen from villain. What has his post-flop play / aggression looked like?

Unless the villain has shown reason to do otherwise, I'm folding in this spot on the river.

Hmm, seems like he has 74 here, and with his LAG history it probably would have taken a pretty sizeable turn bet to get him to fold.

In all honesty I probably would call here (because im bad) but is he really value shoving the river here with 2 pair or anything we beat? - in my opinion 90+% time probably not, so now we are kind of just bluff catching, which I really think is one of the biggest leaks of live 1/1,1/2, and 1/3 players, because these guys are just really not bluffing that much, and even more rarely river shoving as a bluff.

I don't know, wasn't paying much attention. I had just seen him raising and cbetting lots. Was the table mark.

Believe me man, I've called way too many rivers where I didn't think about it enough or just thought "I have a good hand, I call", everyone has. But what was your thinking, we're you calling thinking he was pushing for value or that he was bluffing? If we think he's value shoving than I don't think we beat literally anything but it's a super annoying spot for sure...
So what did V have, and I am assuming you called?

I tank-folded for exactly the same reasons.

V went "phew" and tabled T6dd to scoop the side pot.

Said he knew I had a KING and the 8 was a good card to heat it up.

Wow that's gross. The only question i guess we should ask is, would he be calling behind flop and turn with 34, and if he has 74, would he shove for value or bet smaller?
I think the silver lining from this scenario is that your good enough to make that fold, and I think long term, that folding in that spot is going to save you money.
Don't let one psycho make you doubt yourself, the odds of you playing against another player who's going to bluff shove in that spot is pretty low, especially in live 1/1-1/3 games.

Don't post results so early, or put them in spoiler tags lol.

Think I'd have to call based on your description of villain.

And yeah, bet $55 on turn and $125 on river.

Why should flop betting be "much bigger"? Hero opened by betting $10 into a $12 pot (seems fine and nonsuspicious), and he could only call the partial raise.

$15 into $10 would barely be noticed and it would set up a much bigger turn bet. It's not much bigger in $ terms but makes an awful lot of difference.

Flop should be lower so the $17 reopens the betting.

Yea you are right, I actually like the flop sizing alot, I probably would have bet 15, which is the same thing. Turn I would bet a little higher subsequently with river as well.

I didn't see the guy's stack plus it was a pretty dry board so I didn't really mind it. But I surely f'd up on the turn, partly because I was afraid of the first straight coming in.

2pair is never shipping when there is the option to call.

It looks like he's trying to make a draw against you and since it's a limped pot, his range is weighted towards those draws.

3 out of 5 SDs made their hand by the river. This looks like 47.

I forgot about the shorty. I've done this before. If you don't know his stack or forget though I think betting more than he did is important for reasons of pot manipulation. So, as long as you know he's probably gonna shove, $8>$15>$10.

Flop bet should either be smaller (if you think the short stack is likely to shove, so that you can 3-bet) or larger (something like $20). Turn bet is also too small as well, as I'm looking to get max value in this spot. River sizing is bad too, I'm going at least $100 here to get value from Kx. As played, I'm snap-calling, as there are just way too few combos of hands that beat us to consider folding unless V just never shoves with his two pair hands here.

I simply got outplayed in this hand by betting so small and levelling myself. Never have I seen this happen at 1/2 unless it's me doing it.