Villain ($225): 65ish WG. Complete Rock who is probably a break even player these days whereas he used to be a small winner 4-5 years back. Not a complete nit (will raise pre with a little more than QQ+/AK), but when serious money goes in pot who usually has a big hand. I have a lot of hours with him and he is the only person I have folded KK to (it was correct, as he 4-bet my SB 3! from UTG, and showed the Aces after I folded).

Hero ($400): 30ish WG. V probably views me as more and more of a LAG as I have become more aggressive over the last couple of years, and in the hour I've been at the table I stand out as I'v raised pre a bunch in contrast to everyone else. V also knows that I'm no maniac though and generally have big hands when a lot of money goes in.

OTTH... 2 limps, V limps in MP, CO limps, Hero limps SB with 66. BB checks.

Flop: ($10): KT6 Hero leads $10, only V calls.

Turn ($30): KT6 9 Hero leads $35. V calls.

River ($100): KT6 9 9 Hero leads $55, V jams $200 total. Hero??

I call. I guess he had a bigger boat.

Call obv, if he has T9 give him some money. Raise pre next time.

I call just because there's more combos of QJ he can have for these stack depths and boats are a little disguised given pre and post action.

I like limping along pf here from the sb, I don't think raising performs that well.

V almost certainly raises turn with QJ with FD on board and tons of 2p and draw combos. V should either have T9 or H wins, slim possibility of K9

I bet he has TT. Rocks don’t call this flop multi-way with T9.

theres 2 premises:
A) hes always raising turn w QJ (what about QJcc?)
B) hes never bluff raising the river

if A and B are both 100% true then this is a fold.
up to u to decide if thats the case.

If your read is that he is certainly only raising nutted hands OTR then this is a fold.

The reasons I call are:

a) some perceived rocks are not as “rocky” as you believe
b) rocks still raise KK (and maybe TT) pre-flop
c) rocks don’t usually slowplay flopped sets
d) rocks don’t call this flop with T9/99

There is bias in you posting this so I presume he overlimped TT, deviated from assumption (c), got MUBSy when the turn made a straight and jammed when he filled up. But still, (a).

i'll put him on K9, T9, QJ. So there's total of 12 combos of K9, T9 you lose to and 16 combos of QJ you win against.

In fact if he's a rock, i would even remove T9 from his range here, i dont see a rock calling a psb with second pair avg kicker. I would assume him to raise TT pre, or reraise you otf with TT. So that leaves us with 6 combos you lose to and 16 you win against. It's a call for me.

I mean you have a boat at 125bb, it’s going in. If he had you beat there’s not much you can do, otherwise you’re folding everything here. This really isn’t a hand to be concerned about regardless of results. H probably ran into a bigger boat otherwise this wouldn’t even be posted

Assuming he fast plays all his hands at the time they're nutted (TT on flop, JQ on turn), as most OMCs do, he should have K9s almost always. I think we can find an exploit fold here.

Great thoughts. As to the bolded, I've not the biggest poaster on here, but if you know me at all you know that I hate what I call "2+2 bias" (basically what you are referring to) so I intentionally try to evenly post hands that worked out well for me and those that didn't work out well for me as opposed to posting a bunch of coolers. I think this bias often messes with the advice you get because responders to posts often believe impending doom is coming on the hand, and give advice on early streets to try to prevent the doom from coming even if it is not optimal play.

Without getting to results, bolded may be true for most OPs but not me. I try to evenly post hands that worked out well and those that didn't so I can filter out advice that is based on what is perceived to be impending doom.

This comment is very noob

The fact that we have a boat 125bb deep is much less relevant than the extremely big SPR and the fact that it’s a multi-way limped pot and we’re behind his value range. And he’s not a player capable of bluffing.

And why does it matter that we’re folding everything here? (Idk can we have K9s?) u worry about these concerns when playing against someone who were afraid will exploit us, not when we’re specifically trying to exploit him!

Really wasn’t meant as a personal dig. Certain results will inherently make all of us more likely to rethink decisions and therefore post a hand.

Didn't think it was a dig. I was just explaining that I purposely try to post a balanced range of hands. So the assumption that the hand ended poorly for me may be true for a lot of posters but not in my particular case.

At the table I'm not sure I could fold, but if your read is that you are beat and you know this player that well, fold. Sometimes you just have to follow your gut/reads. Yes, it's a boat for just over 100bb, but it's also saving just under 100bb when you know you can't be good.

Some player just have it, and when you know they do you can fold. There are some spots where I say, "Screw math, odds, etc., I'm beat."

If there is a chance you are ahead, call.

Did I hear my name?

Like your Bat Signal lol

Say we give him TT and K9s and QJs only, it's a call.

Really the question is, does he ever do this with QJ? OP, you are better placed to answer this than us. See we can play around with combos, because you'd think this guy raises turn with TT but also QJ but also folds flop with K9. Again maybe he may be tired of getting pushed around by a perceived maniac and just got overexcited about jamming a turned straight into whatever nonsense you are 3-barrelling with, you whippersnapper you.

My guess is TT is the likeliest holding and I think with your stated read we can probably just fold. The rockiest rock that ever rocked a rock doesn't raise without a boat.

But, that's a horrible mistake if he has 4+ combos of QJ here and 100% expert play if he has none. So it's very read dependant and really you are the man at the table, not us.

Dude, H has 66 on a KT699 board. Even in a limped pot this is literally top top of our range and should be trying to put piles in. As long as his range has QJ and 78 in it we should be fist pump getting it in, plus he can have random 89s J9s and Q9s type hands. Just because he’s a rock doesn’t mean he won’t limp QJo and 78s type hands or call $10 with an OESD or gutter plus backdoor FD. If V has 66 beat then give him your stack and rebuy.

I also said in my original post H should raise pre and in a raised pot this is an absolute no brainer get it in.

Snap call. Imo hands like this are pretty irrelevant to our long term win-rate. This is a profitable call, I promise.

You may not be good over 50% but you never have to be, facing a river bet. Absolute hand strength aside, it’s important that you beat value hands and not just bluffs that he may or may/not have.

Rocks in 1-2 don't raise-shove straights when the board pairs. It has to be TT, or perhaps the 1 combo of K9s. But even KK wouldn't surprise me, sometimes rocks mix it up with a deceptive limp.

I puke fold.

I would have called, I can't see myself getting away from a flopped set that rivers FH given the way the action went but you do say he is a rock and when he ships it he usually has the goods. If that truly is the case I would try to find a tough tough fold from the bottom of my gut. I'm putting him on T9, KTo trying to get funny with you since you said you've been playing pretty LAG this session, TT but you'd think he'd raise this pre same with KK. His jam just makes his range so polarized from the way you described how he plays, imo.

Appreciate advice if you think my logic is flawed.

KTo would be a bluff with full house blockers?