Hey guys.

Hero/BTN(400)- Heros image against V in question is almost non existant been playing together for 30-60mins and hero hasn't played very many hands but has come out firing most of the time.

Villian/UTG+2(300)- Higher stakes player 2/5 5/10, slumming 1/2 because thats the only game running at the moment. has a reputation for being aggressive and gambly but not a maniac.

V limps and a raise to 7 from mostly irrelevant weak-tight V
Hero makes call with AJ
V calls and we go to the flop 5 way

Flop(38) QT9

V opens for 15
Hero?

I don't expect a flopped flush to open this multi-way pot especially with a pre flop aggressor. This really looks like a BIG semi-bluff to me. I really feel like if we hit our non heart K or 8 we have the best hand.

I guess my question is; is it a good idea to semi-bluff back at this player? Would we raise the flop? what about floating and raising or betting the turn/river when the draw hits?

Weak lead from a good player into a massively wet board looks like he might be trying to induce a raise to me. Not to mention all the other players in the hand. I snap fold multiway...

^ with V being UTG, the other people might have all folded by the time it got to hero on the button.

Anyways OP,

3 bet preflop.

Don't try to outplay good players, pick on the real fish.

Id fold. You loose 100% of the time a heart comes so you have to win a huge percentage (>80%) of all nonheart board runouts to be + ev here.

Fold always.

If you ever think it's a good idea to bluff into a 5 way pot....get up and take a walk. Just fold it and move on to the next hand. Might hit a K on the turn and still be drawing dead.

Anytime a thread is titled "$1/2 - Good time to bluff?" or something similar, you can almost always answer the question without even opening the thread.

Well slow down a little. Who is still in the hand? Does hero close the action?

I must be aggro-******ed or something, because heads up this would be an auto-raise 100%. Against 3 villains, yeah I would be looking for an exit strategy. Against a nit, I run screaming for the exit. Against this guy? Bring it on.

Pretty much snap folding the flop.

Think about 3betting pre flop.

What are you doing any time he calls?

What turn cards do you like?
Do you think your straight is good if it hits?
How much are you raising to?

Honestly, I think it's criminal to be continuing on with this hand, but I am interested in other view points.

Also, what happens when V has the J and pretty much any other cards? He's pretty much free rolling us.

I'm a little confused on the hand itself.

Did the pre flop raiser fold in between the V's donk and our action?

grunch: fold

this is a relatively small pot to fight for. it's an even smaller pot to the villain to bluff at (he's trying to steal the $38 against 4 others?)

i would be more inclined to him trying to get callers or even raised. even if i weight the bluff or semi-bluff pretty big here i think i'd lay it down and wait for a better spot. if you bluff back... you still have to worry about the other players on an extremely wet board.

your straight is tempting... so maybe in game i'd convince myself to call with a "good price". but if i'm playing disciplined i think i lay this down.

so fold > call > raise

People are more afraid of flushes than they should be.

If you think about all the reasons why people donk bet, a good number if not the majority fold to a raise here.

A call suggests villain has at least one heart in his hand.

A raise either means he has a flush or he just wants the pot more than I do.

I don't really need a straight to win this hand, and if I hit I run the risk of value-owning myself.

So I'm really looking for a fold. With a call I c/f to the end, hoping for the best.

Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly willing to consider possibility I'm on the wrong track. Clearly against some villains this would be pure spew.

The asymmetry I'm shooting for is to be less afraid of the flush.

^Seems like we're willingly signing up for a huge guessing game, all to win a $50 pot (with the chance to lose a much bigger one) in which we have $7 dollars invested.

In your own words: If we raise and he calls that means he has the flush or is drawing to the flush, maybe... If he raises then he has the flush or is re-bluffing us.... If he calls and we hit then we may be good, or we may not... I understand not every decision we face is going to be clear cut but once again, this just seems like an unnecessary time to make a move.

5 players see the flop. How many to act before or after you. The above sounds like heads up.

Never thinking about bluffing 5 handed on a made flush board while drawing to a straight.

Also, big stakes players playing at lower stakes are impossible to bluff. He'll call stacks with a whole lot of single heart hand. You are way behind.

Sorry guys, action folded to hero on the BTN who closes.

This; it is just a bad spot for you. This type of player isn't necessarily even semi-bluffing and might actually already have a flush. Best case scenario for you is that he has a pair and A of hearts which is still a really really bad spot for you to be in. Fold and look for a much better spot.

Admittedly, this is a fancy play, and a little of that goes a long way at 1/2. Clearly possible to have a winning game without this kind of tomfoolery. Kids, don't try this at home!

To be perfectly clear, if this was some chick, instead of some aggro 5/10 player, there is no possible way I would consider this play.

But. This dope doesn't have a flush. Or to put a finer point on it, he doesn't have a flush a heck of a lot more than he does. Way, way more. Even if he's on a draw, he has to wonder if he's drawing dead. Most likely outcome is, he squirms around, talks some smack, and then folds. If he calls or raises, you're (probably) dead. Easy game.

Whatever he has, unless its complete crap is likely better than what op has with him leading out like that. The idea here is that this "dope" is most likely not going to fold with the way the action has played out and op would be stacking off with very very few outs and maybe even drawing dead already.

I love how the rationale for him being a dope seems to be the fact that he is maybe aggro and plays at higher stakes. You realize that he is also probably a better player than most of the people at the 1/2 table...

This board texture is so bad for a bluff. Don't do it.

Good players will lead out with flopped flushes. As they should.

His limp pre should give us some good info based on how he usually plays. If he doesn't normally limp, you can take sets and good Qx out of his range. So what is he leading with after limp calling?

Prob a lot of suited connectors in his range. Giving him flopped flushes, 2 pairs, or some combo draws of pair/fd or pair/straight draw or fd/straight draw, etc.

He never has air here and we don't have enough info to narrow his range.

Just fold. This is a bad spot to bluff and your hand has very little to no equity

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