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1/2 bloated pot with a big combo draw 1/2 bloated pot with a big combo draw

08-23-2018 , 04:50 PM
Not sure I played this correctly, and trying not to be results oriented.

1/2 at Mohegan Sun (I'll recall the hand to the best of my ability, it happened a couple weeks ago).

Hero: MAWG, reg on the weekends lately. No one else in the hand really familiar with me though. Been at the table for awhile, sitting on about $450. Showing strong hands at showdown, or not getting to showdown for the majority of my won pots. Should appear fairly solid to the table, but a few villains in hand haven't been there long or wouldn't be paying attention anyway. I'm in the cutoff for this hand.

V1 is the BB, sitting on $138. Late 20's white kid, seems to play pretty ABC (tight, bets hand strength, not a lot of gamble, etc.)

V2 is late 20's-early 30's. Closest in chips to hero, but hero has him covered. Don't recognize him, but was told by another friend in the room that he's a tight, solid reg.

V3 on the button with about $90. Fairly new to the table, no real history. Seems like a rec player (also 30's white guy).

V4 in the small blind, older white guy, sitting on a little less than $200. Also kind of new to the table, but seems like a passive rec.

OTTH: I'm dealt K9, and limp in the cutoff after a couple other limps. I might raise this hand sometimes, but I'm happy to see a flop multiway for cheap in position at this table. Button and SB call, V1 in the BB raises to $12. V2 UTG calls, a couple folds, Hero calls, V3 and V4 call.

About $60 in the pot on the flop after rake.

Flop is 1086 (giving Hero flush and gutshot straight draw)

V4 checks, V1 bets $25, and V2 calls without much thought. $25 seems like a weak bet into such a wet board, and V2 could have any straight draw, flush draw, 10, 8, etc. V2 likely raises with 2 pair or better here. I opt to just call as I don't think raising accomplishes much with 2 players yet to act and no made hand. I could take it down here, but not likely, and a raise from V2 would be gross. V3 and V4 also call.

Here is where things get more interesting.

Turn is the J, giving Hero a double gutter to go with his flush draw, and bringing in a backdoor spade draw (I'm not counting my king as an out given V1 could have AA, and there could be a K10 in the hand somewhere).

V1 shoves for $101 and V2 tanks for a bit. While he's thinking, I eyeball his stack, as well as V3's and V4's. V3 only has about $50 left, so I'm assuming he's putting it in given the size of the pot and what he's committed already. V4 has about $150-$160 left, no indication as to what he'll do. V2 eventually opts for a fold. Pot is now about $286 (with more money likely to go in after my action).

Hero???
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08-23-2018 , 06:48 PM
Once the guy who started with 200bbs to start the hand folds I don't think it really matters EV wise as long as you don't fold. You run into someone with the NFD here a decent amount (esp in a limped pot) but you're getting to good of a price to fold.
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08-23-2018 , 11:04 PM
It's slightly +EV if all your outs are clean and V3 does call. If V4 comes along (either just for the $101 or for his whole stack) it'll be substantially +EV if your outs are clean. The problem with that is that if V4 does call, it's going to be highly likely he's drawing (and thus killing some of your outs), as it's pretty unlikely for him to have a made hand strong enough to call in view of the flop play and the strength V1 is showing. He'd need to have JT, basically. And you're going to run into the NFD a decent amount, which will hurt. It's sort of a complicated spot but if I had to guess, I think calling is going to be a little -EV, but it's going to be close and I wouldn't agonise over it. Honestly, at the table I probably call just for kicks.
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08-24-2018 , 12:09 AM
Would start by raising otf

Ott i would just jam
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08-24-2018 , 12:19 AM
Eh? How does jamming help?
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08-24-2018 , 03:59 PM
It seems folding is out of the question.

I did call the turn, V3 started talking about having too many outs (which I didn't appreciate given V4 had yet to act and there were four of us still in the hand) and called off the rest of his stack. V4 then frustratingly snap-called (as if he didn't have anything yet).

River was the gorgeous, beautiful A

I, of course, snap shoved, V4 called off the rest, and I scooped. V1 had KK, V3 had 78, and V2 said he had folded a worse diamond draw (so maybe I get more of his stack if he stays on the turn?).

Felt pretty great scooping such a huge pot, but didn't know if I played it correctly and didn't want the result to sway my decision.

I was telling my friends that were there with me that day about it via text, and they were joking about me calling off $100 with king high, but think they agreed with the play for the most part given the action. Wanted some more opinions here...
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