$1/$2 9 handed. Been at the table for about two hours and Villain was already seated and is sitting on $600. Villain in this hand is a young fellow in early 20's. Hasn't gotten out of line yet but is limp calling pre a bit too much IMHO. Also has shown a few "moves" with his over-cards when he picked up some dead pots with C-bets. Nothing scary or spazzy from V yet. My image so far has been "by the book" TAG and am probably the tightest player at the table. I cover with $900 and get AJ in early MP. Table is generally loose/passive calling pre and I raise to $20. LP and blinds call.

Flop ($80): 962

Gets checked by the blinds and I C-bet for $35. Villain in LP raises to $75 and blinds fold. I put Villain on a 9x or a small PP (no set) and call $40 (-> 190) with overs and back door flush.

Turn (230): 5

I check. V bets 75. I flat still with overs, a nut flush draw and a wet looking board.

River (380): 2

I brick everything. Still do not put V on a flush or a set and possibly 9x or small PP.
I check. V bets $125. I raise (check raise) to $300.

Appreciate any comments on all streets if this play makes any sense or is this just one of my idiotic fishy logic.

I dont like this, if played to the turn i'm raise calling or raise/ jamming any river.

This just looks to weirder line and will probs getting picked off, more often than not.

Before looking at spoiler. I think you are representing a FH here but if you flopped a set, you would have jammed the flop when he raised you, so I wouldn't believe you. I would call with any flush, straight and or 2 pair.

After reading spoiler, he is bat**** crazy. Get his number and invite him to every home game you can.

I think you missed your chance by flatting the turn. I like a c/r ott or just fold it. 2d seems like a bad spot if this guy is clueless. Also, your line so polarized and range you are trying to rep here is so narrow that some thinking players will look u up(ok, maybe not as light as 88) and alot of llsnl mouth-breathers aren't t going to fold, which is the beauty of llsnl when we have monsters. Sucks being OOP here

I honestly think this is just a fold otf. You classified the table as loose passive, and when passives show aggression they usually have the goods.

Of course, this only is relevant when villains understand hand strength and such so my thinking is irrelevant against this particular (these types) villain(s).

Folding flop is actually best advice IMO. You are in such a bad/awkward spot calling his raise OOP with backdoor fd and overs. Seems like AIDS if you know he going to continue ott and what did u plan on doing otr after it checks thru ott when u brick? He pot-controlled in position to set up calling river leads if he scared u has da flush(common-donk move in llsnl). Fold flop seems best play here.

I'd fold pre. AJo from early-middle is difficult to play profitably, espeically if the table's loose, so they're probably not even noticing/caring about your Tag image.

It's 1/2, you got to $900 playing Tag, keep playing it, don't do anything unnecessary/fancy.

^ You don't need to fold pre.

On the flop fold >>> raise > call IMO, it's going to be a major leak if you continue to call and hope you hit an A/J/bd flush on later streets. At least if you 3bet you have some fold equity (if you think he's fos), but I still don't think its worth it. The hands you put him on are ahead of you, and the backdoor flush isn't well-disguised at all (therefore you probably won't get paid off if you hit).

Ott the villain actually priced you in.

Otr your x/r is trying to say "I have the best hand" but your story isn't very consistent. Would AA do that? The only hand that can make this play is a boat, and most people even then would probably lead out and hope to get called by flushes.

if want to bluff reraise flop and bomb turn. your line is silly ):

your assumptions are pretty ambitious "i put villain on small pair or 9x"

Check flop (2nd best option is bet bigger) Fold to raise.

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the snozzberries taste like snozzberries IMHO.

OP’s c-bet w/ A-J looks like a c-bet w/ AJ. (AJ = any two-overs.)

for some reason (live) TAG c-bet bluffers always err to just under half the pot in multi-way sitchs. occasionally, inductive inference kicks in and competent individuals pick up on the business.

a bigger bet (3/4ths pot) on the flop looks more like you’re protecting your hand. anything more than that is pretty much redundant and spewy. if someone is gonna ship over you for 60$, their likely gonna ship over you for 80$ (and have you beat).

if you really put the caller on a nine or small pocket pair and they call the flop, you must jam the turn. telling consistent stories does wonders for your long term equity.

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explain, where does this particular thought derive from? seems like some grandiose nonsense to me.

Um pretty spew imo

Your flop bet is really small.. 35 into 80 on a board with draws out.. doesn't rep an overpair very well.. Villain probably picked up on this so he raised you.. you call.. okay I guess you can have a flush draws with overs .. even though right now your line is liking mighty suspect unless you have a history of playing big hands/draw like this

Turn completes the flush card..great for you! Then you check.. okay whatever maybe you're slowplaying? That's fine.. so he bets again because he's not sure where he's at plus he wants to be able to credibly rep flushes.. then you just CALL! Would a big flush just call here?? I doubt it.. your line is starting to make very little sense.

River is a total blank.. okay so you've had 2 chances on the flop and 2 chances on the turn to rep a big hand but you didn't.. then you CHECK AGAIN!! Okay now your hands looks totally weak.. I don't know of any hands I'd take this line with.. so villain bets again (I don't know why given his hand) and NOW you check raise him which really makes absolutely no sense.. you're saying you have the nuts but would you really check back the river in this big pot with the nuts when villain could easily check back?? If anything I would like a check shove better but as played just fold the river because your never good here and you can't rep anything

Sorry bro this is spew. The turn is the place to make the play.. and that's only if you know this guy can give you respect and fold

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nonsense?
maybe you misread what i wrote. I was saying OPS assumption that villain does not have sets when he raises is silly.

Flop cbet is way to small. bet/fold more like $55-$60.

If he flats and you pick up the NFD w/ 2 overs you can double barrel and put a ton of pressure on him. Or you can check/call or check/fold depending on how you interpret his flop call and what you think he's likely to do ott/otr.

The problem w/ this hand that I see is not knowing what your villain is capable of. If he's turning an under pair into a bluff after being check/raised otr he is different then 90%
of the opponents that you'll face at these levels.

There had to be some clues to suggest this in over two hours of play.(or you just wreaked of weakness w/ an absurd line) Anyway you need to be much more cognizant of the capabilities and tendencies of villain before you try to float the turn and check raise bluff the river.

Huge donk raising you on river. He should just call... You. Fold on the flop obviously... When you don't fold- raise the turn rep the flush

Well now that you've seen how he played this hand, start planning how thin your value bets will be against him from now on.

Too bad the villain was smarter than we thought and racked up

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$20 seems like a lot preflop. Is that your standard open from EP?


As played, I'm probably just check/folding flop. If I'm betting, it's $50-$60.

check/fold river.

picking up the NFD on the turn is almost entirely irrelevant to the line OP is (attempting to) take. he doesn’t need a spade on the turn to double barrel. actually, it’s more believable if OP shoves brick turn (ex 2d).

this advice is quite obviously a leak.

what? OP put in a BS c-bet and got raised. pretty standard result me thinks. lol.

you just told OP it was okay to check/call the turn.

OH, I SEE NOW.

... lol.

OP should go against his read and assume villain has a set. EQUITABLE POKERZ RIGHT THARR.

welcome to 2+2, where reads = blind baseless assumptions.

wow you didnt misread /=

OP can have reads sure but saying "hrmm i have feeling he doesnt have set" is wishful thinking it isnt good logic.

dont see why your getting all fired up, ppl like you give llsnl a bad reputation.