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10-14-2013 , 02:46 PM
Good evening:

I was playing the other day and I had 2 critical hands:

Hand 1

I got AKoff in middle position. I raise to 6 (I had been doing that all night), Villain (20s, very aggresive and about 60 BB stack) raises to 20. I just call thinking that if I flop and A or K in an easy flop I can induce him to bluff.

Flop: Axx rainbow, Villain checks and I check. Turn is a blank and he bets 50, I call. River is a K and he shoves for 133. What do I do? Do you all see a huge bluff?

Hand 2

I raise middle position to 6 with QQ, middle age man who just got to the table raises to 21 and I call. (He is on the button)

Flop: 10-5-3 rainbow. I bet 30. He thinks for a while and calls. Turn: 10. I bet 50 and he goes all in for 130. I call and he has A-10. River is no help.

I think that I donīt 4 bet preflop at all, but I donīt know if it is worth it to do it in live due to the fact that we tend to play with calling stations.
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10-14-2013 , 03:10 PM
Stack sizes?

Hand 1... Bet, bet, bet.

Hand 2... Probably b/f turn but maybe too short to fold.
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10-14-2013 , 03:15 PM
Hand 1 i think you played it fine given the read. always call that river.

Hand two you can probably fold the turn
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10-14-2013 , 03:17 PM
Hand one seems like a obvious call as your plan was to induce bluffs and you have top two pair and villan only had 60bb to begin the hand.

Hand two is an obvious 4 bet due to your open raise sizing, that is the benefit of opening to a consisten amount each hand which I would bet is a huge leak. You should of raised the flop and gotten it in but stack sizes would be helpful to confirm as I am assuming 100 bb.
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10-14-2013 , 03:27 PM
Hand 1: I got about 150 BB and heīs got about 70 If I remember well.

Hand 2_ About the same (about 90-100 BB)
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10-14-2013 , 03:48 PM
I think hand 1 you should 3b pre and bet/ fold all subsequent streets. Hand two is a fold all day long
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10-14-2013 , 04:16 PM
Both hands seem opposite to me ...

Hand #1:
1) I donk Flop here 50% of the time ... less with a rainbow board? You got what you wanted and I dont really care if my hand is face up.
2) I lead Turn 100% of time if it checks through to set up River value ... still calling if played back at most times.
3) Stack sizes must be wrong if he started hand with 60BB, cant shove 133 unless 1-3?
4) You can also consider c/r Turn. He bet PSB (go away bet with AQ/AJ/Chop or maybe 2 pr overbet ... set?)
4) Cetainly not folding here if you called Turn ... if set or KK, then you got nailed for slow playing the Flop a bit here but are ahead of all over 2 pair.
5) You hit your hand on River and check? Probably got it right against this opponent, but in most cases you need to lead out ... again ... GET VALUE FOR YOUR HANDS AT LOW LIMIT ... especially when short to medium stacks are involved.

Hand #2:
1) Why donk when you 'missed', but again this is a 50% donk for me against a raiser? Let him c-bet, you can smooth or c/r depending on stacks. Still scared of any A or K that may come on Turn so I dont mind donk, but .
2) This is another Turn (A,K,T) that you c/c or c/f to ... leading out only results in what you got yourself into ... c/r against AA/KK/Tx/bluff (not very often).

Yes I said to get value for your hands and yet only donk 50% of the time here. I just dont want to see 2 streets go by Flop and Turn without you leading out ... and then make a judgement on the Rivers. GL
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10-14-2013 , 04:30 PM
Assuming that villain is in the blinds in hand #1, you played it fine. River is a snap call, and if for some reason you can't call it profitably it probably means you should have folded pre because his 3b range was very tight.

Preflop is fine in hand #2; if we had reads I might think about 4betting for value, but without knowing anything about how many worse hands he's liable to call a 4b with I'd prefer to keep his range wider/weaker. I don't like your flop lead at all, though; c/c is much better. Leading lets him fold his whiffed overs without you getting any value from them, and he's obviously never folding a better hand than yours. Just keep c/cing until a street checks through, at which time you can think about maybe betting smallish for value.
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10-14-2013 , 04:31 PM
He showed a bluff in the first hand. Would you shove with a set made on the flop? Does the shove on river tell me that the play is a bluff?
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10-14-2013 , 04:39 PM
He can be shoving with so much more than a bluff or set though. Your hand is very underrepresented so you really kinda have to call here.
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10-14-2013 , 04:42 PM
Hand 1 - 4bet pre. As played, it's fine to just call turn and river if the board is pretty dry.
Hand 2 - Raise more pre, 4bet pre.
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10-14-2013 , 05:02 PM
Hand 1: If you check this flop, it's to induce V to bet. Check/call it off.

Hand 2: 4-bet preflop.
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10-14-2013 , 06:44 PM
why not shove hand 1 and 4 bet hand 2 pre? Probably fold to a shove in hand 2 since you describe the V as middle aged man and we generally do not shove 100BB's with JJ or AK, not saying we should not be, just sayin..... you can evaluate a shove in hand 2 by how the person acts, but generally a 5 bet pre flop by a middle aged man with no reads, and just sitting down is AA 75% and KK 25% IMO.
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10-14-2013 , 06:53 PM
Why are people suggesting 4bet pre? Readless, 4betting pre is turning AK or QQ into a bluff.

In both cases, open bigger.

Hand 1: I might fold to 3 bet. Checking flop is fine. As played easy call because your hand is ridiculously underrepped.

Hand 2: I'd usually c/eval flop. Turn is easy b/f, what do you beat when he raises?
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