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02-20-2013 , 12:45 AM
Hero: is playing hyper tight and is sittin with 200$ after losing few hands calling out of position.

V1: is a reg, asian old asian man that just made 2 good reads folding a flush on the river when the guy had the nut flush. Then he fold a middle set on the flop againts tight player and the guy showed top set. He is siting with 240.

utg,mp1,V1co,btn,SB calls
Hero bb has 8h6h checks

Flop:10s9c7c
Check to V1:bet 10
Btn,sb folds hero calls utg,mp folds

Turn: 10c
Hero: check
V1: bets 10
Hero: raise 43
V1:call

River:4h

Hero:bets 64
V1 calls and shows Ac8c

I feel like if I raise on the flop he may lay down a pair or straght draw, I dont think he's drawind clubs because in a multi pot he wouldnt raise.

Mistakes?
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02-20-2013 , 12:50 AM
Check call flop is horribad. Flop is very wet, and many cards kill your hand or your action. I like a b/b/b line here and get it in ASAP. C/R flop is second. C/C is worse than C/F, imo, as you're setting yourself up to lose stacks or win almost nothing.

AP, Turn T is bad for you. I'd be more likely to B/F turn than C/R it. Only ever getting called by flushes and trips there. AP again, you're very lucky he left you anything behind. Once he flats, you are almost alway boned, and trips likely not calling twice on this board, so you're not losing any value by checking.
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02-20-2013 , 12:51 AM
Bet the flop. Checking through would be terrible for your hand - giving free cards to flush and straight draws.

As you played it check-raise this flop.

Also as you progress in poker you will realize that tightening up your starting hands because you just lost a few hands is shortsighted. Unless I guess you are playing short of funds. Then you know the answer there...
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02-20-2013 , 01:01 AM
OP, if you would like to imrpove, take on this easy homework assignment:

1. Write or type out all the combos of hands that will call a flop value bet. (Hint: flush draws, 2pair, pair + straight draw and more.)

2. Write out all the combos that might raise.

3. Write out all the nasty turn cards you don't wanna see. (Hint: the 10c was prob the nut worst, lmao.)

That's all for now. Due in 24hrs. Now go nurse your ass son, you just got prison raped!
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02-20-2013 , 01:01 AM
I would say either check raise flop $40, or lead out with a "small" overbet $20. Vil may call since absolute value of bet is minimal.

Turn is a bad card. Again, lead out on turn. This time bet/fold, 3/4 to pot.

It's worse if you play the hand aggressive, lead out or c/r. I think bet/fold> check/fold> check/call
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02-20-2013 , 02:34 AM
Oy check calling the flop is really really bad. Also You do realize the turn is the nut worst card for your straight right?

I would suggest the following actions:

1. Bet the flop big the first time

2. As played, raise the flop big

3. Lead turn and fold to a raise

4. As played, call turn or raise/fold with the plan to shut down if called.

5. River is inconsequential compared to the rest of the hand. It's either a small bet/fold or a check/evaluate depending on reads.
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02-20-2013 , 02:36 AM
Also you are playing hyper tight yet "calling hands out of position?" What does that even mean? Those statements appear to be at odds with each other.
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02-20-2013 , 02:57 AM
I would have thought the 8 of clubs would be the worst card to see on the turn.
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02-20-2013 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
Also you are playing hyper tight yet "calling hands out of position?" What does that even mean? Those statements appear to be at odds with each other.


He checked the big blind
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02-20-2013 , 02:58 AM
don't be one of those guys to slow play on wet boards in multi way pots. I know its difficult to lead out with the near nuts and play it fast bc it feels so good to slow play, but put that behind you and go for what maximizes value against typical llsnl opponents who call too much, bet their face off.
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02-20-2013 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by similar 2 2 2
He checked the big blind
Did you read the OP? I'm talking about the other hands. His description of himself suggests the potential for two leaks - calling OOP too much and not understanding his real image/style of play.
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02-20-2013 , 03:03 AM
Also, I like the c/r line here in a 6 way pot as long as you can get away from any clubs on the turn, but I like leading out a close 2nd and check/call last.
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02-20-2013 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
Did you read the OP? I'm talking about the other hands. His description of himself suggests the potential for two leaks - calling OOP too much and not understanding his real image/style of play.
My bad, Holmes. I assumed that meant he was calling with his premiums out of position instead of 3 or 4 betting them.
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02-20-2013 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by similar 2 2 2
Also, I like the c/r line here in a 6 way pot as long as you can get away from any clubs on the turn, but I like leading out a close 2nd and check/call last.
Leading > check raising unless you have a read the flop will be bet. We absolutely cannot give up a free turn card here.
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02-20-2013 , 03:06 AM
My bankroll is just 600 but in my state there is not lower games. I thought that when you are winning you have to losin up
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02-20-2013 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by broke24/7
My bankroll is just 600 but in my state there is not lower games. I thought that when you are winning you have to losin up
Take that to the bankroll thread.

I don't even know what you mean by loosen up when winning. You should choose to play in a manner that maximizes your win based on your stack, image, and villains. There is no right way to play every time. There's no magic "do this every time" in poker.

If you only have 600 you don't really even have enough to play unless you have other income. The risk of ruin is massive. You also appear to have some fundamental leaks from your OP that suggest you may be a losing player. If that's the case it doesn't matter what your roll is, you will end up broke.
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02-20-2013 , 03:15 AM
Thats what I have and thats the lowest limit that there is to play... So what should I do stop to play?
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02-20-2013 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
Leading > check raising unless you have a read the flop will be bet. We absolutely cannot give up a free turn card here.
I wouldn't go to the mat arguing for a check raise or anything. In fact, normally I'm all about betting out with strong hands. The only reason I like it here is that the pot has nothing in it, this board smashes people's limping range, and there are so many people in the hand. If you check with intention of raising and it checks around and a club falls, so what? Check/fold on the turn. It's not like a club draw is going to fold to your lead anyway, and a check raise would help get it in easier if the table complies.

Last edited by similar 2 2 2; 02-20-2013 at 03:26 AM.
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02-20-2013 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by broke24/7
Thats what I have and thats the lowest limit that there is to play... So what should I do stop to play?
Get a job and read more on the forums before you play more if the goal is to make money or not end up broke. Even a good player loses 600 pretty regularly.
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