1/2 game after a nightly tourny

HERO/BTN(450) Young 20s white no notable hands or showdowns in villains prospective, haven't played with him in months so unsure of how he views me.

Villian/CO(450) mid-late 30s mostly tournament player, with that being said has a tendency to peel light on most draws, also has a tendency to donk-lead flops small on draws presumably to "set the price"

3 limps hero 10 with KT

2 calls

3way
FLOP(35) 963
1 check
V leads 10
HERO raises to 30
folds to V who calls

HU
TURN(95) 3
V checks
HERO 55
V call

HU
RIVER(205) 5
V checks
HERO?

I assign V a range comprising of mostly FDs, and OESD or OESD+FD,

110. All your previous bets in the hand are too small.

Raising to more than 10 after 3 limps pre.

Folding otf. Even if V has a draw, he has more equity than you and isn't folding for another $20. Also, you're not closing the action. Just really don't like going for this pot.

This whole hands is FPS, imo.

$10 after 3 limps? Just a pot builder.

Going for a raise OTF against a likely price-set bet? Gotta price him out, imo. Your raise is only $20 into a $55 pot ($75 when it gets to him) His call represents just 21% of the total, what do you expect to fold?

OK, continuing OTT was fine, but the amount is a bit small. You need to set up a big implied river bet, and make a bet you'd actually make with an overpair.

River, b/f 110. That should get rid of his 45s and any NFDs. Anything else that beats you is prob raising here, so at least you won't have to out your BS by exposing.

Thanks garlick. What's FPS about the hand?

The small sizing? Or to attack his price setting bet?

Is it ever okay to bet smallish (as long as its not correct) to get V to call with draws and then fire the river when they brick.

When he donked into you he was giving him self 4.5:1 to hit his draw (since when you call the pot will be $45 for him to win.)
But then you raised to deny him proper odds! You raised and made him call $20 more into a pot of $75. Now he's only getting 3.75:1...
Would you have bet $13 into the pot if he had checked (the same 3.75:1 odds)? No, never. Why? Because that would be a terrible bet to get a reasonable amount of value out of worse hands/draws.

So, when you choose to raise here, at least make a reason that actually charges him to draw to his whatever draw, and doesn't give him great odds to chase.

If we raise the flop, raise to $45 - $ 55.

Everything except the turn, imo. KTs is a limp behind or a raise big enough to be HU and usually take it with a c-bet, imo.

As for the flop, if you have a strong read that he's trying to set a price, you can either float and take it away OTT, or raise him off his draw, but you need to raise a LOT more, as ably explained above.

Yeah, that's why I don't hate the turn. I'd still go a bit bigger, but it's not bad. What many do, though, is bet small enough to give them proper odds, which is never good if the range is dominated by draws, imo.

How about a pair. Tourney players have seen Antonio the Magician say a hundred times. "Its hard to make a pair." As soon as they find one, they jam in their stacks in the tourney.

I would fold the flop. Repopping is okay but probably the worst option. Dont bluff fish. Get value when you have a strong holding.

Looks like You already decided how you are gonna play the whole hand even before the flop. Its like draining $ down the toilet. What are you trying to represent ? Overpair ? Ur hand will stink like AK to most players.

Lighting money on fire.

Usually people that donk the flop with draws will also donk the flop with top pair hands, too. I don't think you can eliminate hands like A9 from his range.

Surely we can all agree that folding preflop to 1/3 pot from a habitual "price setter" when their pre-flop range consistently mostly of SC and S1G type hands is a a big leak.

I can get behind/agree with raising larger, obviously calling is out of the question, and I think folding is probably as bad as calling, if we are folding all of our unpaired hands to a 1/3 pot donk he is probably correct to do so.

Starting preflop, I would limp in this situation with KTs on the button. It's just not a strong enough hand to raise into 3 limpers plus the blinds because you'll almost always get a few callers. If you do want to raise, you need to raise much more. You want to play this hand heads up and a $10 raise will never do it. I shocked the raise reduced the number of players to 3. If you want to play multi-way, just limp.

You missed the flop and should be done with the hand. If you suspect V1 is full of crap, I would float and then try to take it away on the turn when a card higher than a 9 hits. You get to see how the other villain responds to V1s bet if he sandbagged a set or combo draw. If you decide to raise to rep an overpair, you need to bet much bigger than $30. V1 only needs to call $20 in a pot of $85, a great price for all draws.

The turn is a blank. It's an awful barreling card. I would give up on the bluff. However, if you're committed to bluffing, you need to bet more. You barely make a 1/2 pot bet and most villains with draws will call that.

The river is another blank. All 9s will call almost any bet you make. Top pair hasn't changed and only missed draws will fold. At this point, I think you're committed to firing another barrel. I'd bet the least amount as possible, probably $80-100, to get the draws to fold.

In general I think triple barrel bluffs at low stakes live don't work.

Raising flop is fine but needs to be larger you want to not only fold out his draws but also a pair of 6s, 7s, and 8s. I would then be looking for a good card to barrel on the turn to get him off of most of his 9s.

The turn, unfortunately is not a good barrel card and he is basically going to continue calling with his entire range. Imo, you need to check back the turn and just hope to hit a pair. No need to throw away more money here.

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Raise more pre or else just limp.

Fold flop....or else raise it more (like $50-60) and give yourself a chance to take the pot down.

If you're going to raise the flop and bet the turn, you might as well fire the river. Somewhere in the $120 range

If, by this, you mean OTR... and thus, mostly busted draws. Then check back your SDV K-high.

Also: What makes you think he _can_ fold?

By this i believe i ment a donking range OTF

shouldda specified