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1/2 ballys sqeeze spot. 1/2 ballys sqeeze spot.

12-07-2012 , 01:00 AM
Mp2 opens to 10 (200 eff. Tight and newer to the table. He's going to be fairly tag)

Co calls (tight indian guy 400 eff the definition of tight passive)

Hero sb ATo 3b to 45 (covers) good squeeze right?

Pfr folds
Co calls.

Flop (100) KQ7ss
As hero is about to bet villain shows his cards to his neighbor almost in disappointment but discreetly. I'm fairly certain he didn't know I saw.

Hero bets 55.
Villain calls.

Hero shuts down on anything but a jack correct?
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12-07-2012 , 02:39 AM
In general I dislike squeezing OOP.

I don't think you can c bet here either.
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12-07-2012 , 03:54 AM
Terrible squeeze
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12-07-2012 , 04:13 AM
How is it a bad squeeze?
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12-07-2012 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by GoBlue11
How is it a bad squeeze?
You're oop. You're giving Indiana dude almost 2:1 on his money pre. You probably won't win a big pot if you flop top pair. You could lose a big pot if you flop an ace (you said Indian dude was tight passive...can't AJ-AK be in his range here?).
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12-07-2012 , 10:12 AM
Bad spot to squeeze. C-bet is horrible and I think you know it, since you said your first reaction to being called on the flop was to shut down. If you get scared when called and don't want to put any money more in the pot, you shouldn't be c-betting. Massive RIO if an ace hits (you think a tight passive is doing this with A9 or worse?)
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12-07-2012 , 10:13 AM
squeeze when a bettor has a large range and callers also either have large range or know initial raiser has large range. Since BOTH raiser and caller are tight, terrible squeeze..... also it helps if hero has tight image. There is no info on your image in OP. Usually someone showing a neighbor has a monster.
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12-07-2012 , 10:28 AM
pretty clear fold pf
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12-07-2012 , 10:59 AM
I don't like the squeeze from OOP, and that flop connects very well with described villains range. Fold pf and c/f that flop.
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12-07-2012 , 01:04 PM
Point taken. It just seemed like a really good spot. Pfr was going to respect my first 3b and fold a ton of his range and the caller would fold a lot of his hands. I overestimated how wide his range was probably.

Thanks guys.
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12-07-2012 , 01:23 PM
ATos also plays terribly against their calling ranges
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12-07-2012 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
ATos also plays terribly against their calling ranges
Initially it was just a bluff preflop. I felt that I would get enough folds pre and sometimes take it down with a cb postflop. ATo is a decent hand to do it with imo because it has a blocker to big hands and I always have some equity. Heads up this flop seemed like a good one to cb because he has a lot of pocket pairs. The pot is bigger so I can cb smaller and hes going to play perfectly straight forward.
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12-07-2012 , 02:17 PM
suitedness matters for barreling imo
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12-07-2012 , 02:36 PM
I don't really like to squeeze in general. I would have considered it here if (a) we were in position (postflop sucks OOP if our squeeze doesn't work) and (b) opener was in later position (where his opening range is probably a lot wider than in MP2).

As played, I would have also cbet this flop as small pairs (his most likely hand, imo) will always be folding. I'm done with the hand after I'm called.

ETA: I don't think a cbet here is as bad as everyone else. Yes, we'll run into Kx/Qx who aren't folding. There will also be some gutshots who are pretty iffy (although a tight guy will probably fold these). Flush draw and OESD is a possibility, but are we really that worried about those right now HU? Small pairs make up a decent portion of this range, and JJ- is insta-folding this flop (with the exception of 77).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Last edited by gobbledygeek; 12-07-2012 at 02:42 PM.
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12-07-2012 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
suitedness matters for barreling imo
But our spr is only like 2.5-3 if someone calls.
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12-07-2012 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I don't really like to squeeze in general. I would have considered it here if (a) we were in position (postflop sucks OOP if our squeeze doesn't work) and (b) opener was in later position (where his opening range is probably a lot wider than in MP2).

As played, I would have also cbet this flop as small pairs (his most likely hand, imo) will always be folding. I'm done with the hand after I'm called.

ETA: I don't think a cbet here is as bad as everyone else. Yes, we'll run into Kx/Qx who aren't folding. There will also be some gutshots who are pretty iffy (although a tight guy will probably fold these). Flush draw and OESD is a possibility, but are we really that worried about those right now HU? Small pairs make up a decent portion of this range, and JJ- is insta-folding this flop (with the exception of 77).

GcluelessNLnoobG
When he showed his neighbor he was in disgust and it was genuine. So I instantly thought TT or JJ and he was definitely tight enough to muck those hands for sure. When he called I just checked down.
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12-07-2012 , 07:11 PM
A10o? Squeeze is better than a call pf here. However I don't know which one is worse. That hand will not play out well in a typical game like this.
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12-07-2012 , 09:05 PM
check flop...

oh wait...i misread...definitely bet flop!
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12-07-2012 , 09:11 PM
Why check the flop, just to shut down? Are you going to delayed cb?
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12-08-2012 , 02:51 AM
Squeeze works better with more callers. This is more of just a standard 3bet, not one that I'm a fan of.
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